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1♦ P P ?
At all colours and at all forms or not?
Bid or Pass? Protect or not?
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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:20
1♦ P P ?
At all colours and at all forms or not?
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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:48
I would. 1♥.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:49
Pass, I don't think it's close.
Partner has almost certainly less than 15 points - it is unlikely that he has too many diamonds to act with a strong hand. He may have 11-14 but in that case the reason he couldn't make a t/o double probably is that he doesn't have support for both majors. If it's hearts he's missing, we don't have a fit so we might as well defend 1♦. If it's spades, opps have a 9-card spades fit so if we bid we just help opps find a better part score.
As a general rule, with marginal hands, don't protect with length in opps' suit and don't protect with shortness in an unbid major, especially spades.
Partner has almost certainly less than 15 points - it is unlikely that he has too many diamonds to act with a strong hand. He may have 11-14 but in that case the reason he couldn't make a t/o double probably is that he doesn't have support for both majors. If it's hearts he's missing, we don't have a fit so we might as well defend 1♦. If it's spades, opps have a 9-card spades fit so if we bid we just help opps find a better part score.
As a general rule, with marginal hands, don't protect with length in opps' suit and don't protect with shortness in an unbid major, especially spades.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:58
Sure?
It gets more interesting, if you remove the
Queen of spades, in which case I most likely
would pass.
But as it is, this is a hand with submin values
for a 1H overcall, so I wont hesitate to balance.
With kind regards
Marlowe
It gets more interesting, if you remove the
Queen of spades, in which case I most likely
would pass.
But as it is, this is a hand with submin values
for a 1H overcall, so I wont hesitate to balance.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-April-21, 07:42
Pass WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 07:44
Nothing could make me balance with this hand if the opponents are vulnerable. We shouldn't have game, so either partner has a bad hand with short diamonds or he has long diamonds. If he has short diamonds, all we're going to do is push them up a little, but not enough to set them. If he has long diamonds, they may very well find their spade fit if we let them.
If the opponents are not vulnerable, it's close. Depends on the opps. I do think that if I balance they'll end up playing in 2 spades.
If the opponents are not vulnerable, it's close. Depends on the opps. I do think that if I balance they'll end up playing in 2 spades.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 07:47
pass wtp?
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Posted 2008-April-21, 08:00
I would use the green card
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Posted 2008-April-21, 10:05
Pass! At ALL forms and colors.
Several things are possible:
1. They are playing a Burns fit.
2. They are in a low scoring contract. It's very possible they have a 4-4 or 5-4 spade fit.
3. Even if we have a heart fit, see #2.
4. Pard couldn't act over 1♦, so pard is either flat (or has length in ♦'s), weak, or both.
Several things are possible:
1. They are playing a Burns fit.
2. They are in a low scoring contract. It's very possible they have a 4-4 or 5-4 spade fit.
3. Even if we have a heart fit, see #2.
4. Pard couldn't act over 1♦, so pard is either flat (or has length in ♦'s), weak, or both.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 10:18
indeed. a pass wtp
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Posted 2008-April-22, 01:10
pass.
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Posted 2008-April-22, 01:41
A minimum hand with shortness in spades is a huge danger sign against balancing when the opponents are in a minor.
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Posted 2008-April-22, 02:06
I'm happy with pass 
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Posted 2008-April-22, 06:02
This question has a buried controversy that I just noticed.
With Qx in spades and a minimum, the odds of a balancing 1♥ call yielding fruit are decreased by the tendency for lighter overcalls.
If your partner would overcall 1♠ liberally, balancing 1♥ is less likely to be productive. If your partner, however, is very sound with 1♠ overcalls, the chances of 1♥ being successful increase.
With Qx in spades and a minimum, the odds of a balancing 1♥ call yielding fruit are decreased by the tendency for lighter overcalls.
If your partner would overcall 1♠ liberally, balancing 1♥ is less likely to be productive. If your partner, however, is very sound with 1♠ overcalls, the chances of 1♥ being successful increase.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
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Posted 2008-April-22, 06:31
Suppose, for a fairly typical example, that partner has a ten count, three hearts, and three spades. Do I want to sell to 2S? Do I want to play 3H? Let sleeping dogs lie. Reverse the spades and the hearts and it would be a lot more tempting, but I would probably still pass, at least if vul. I guess what I get for this is that when I do balance then partner, with a fit, is free to continue to contest the auction without worrying we will be doubled and set 200+ on a part score hand.
Ken
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Posted 2008-April-22, 20:22
pass
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Posted 2008-April-22, 20:32
pclayton, on Apr 21 2008, 11:05 PM, said:
Several things are possible:
1. They are playing a Burns fit.
1. They are playing a Burns fit.
What is a Burns fit?
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Posted 2008-April-22, 21:13
Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents.
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Posted 2008-April-22, 23:45
andy_h, on Apr 23 2008, 10:13 AM, said:
Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents.
Thanks.
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Posted 2008-April-23, 00:28
The_Hog, on Apr 23 2008, 12:45 AM, said:
andy_h, on Apr 23 2008, 10:13 AM, said:
Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents.
Thanks.
http://www.blakjak.d...uk/burn_law.htm
Wih kind regards
Marlowe
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