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They Preempt

Poll: Your call? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (6 votes [20.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.69%

  2. x, then pass 3C (19 votes [65.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.52%

  3. x, then bid 3D over 3C (3 votes [10.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  4. 3D (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:33

Matchpoints, Red vs White, First Seat

♠Ax ♥K9xxx ♦AT9x ♣Ax

1♥ - (2♠) - P - (P)
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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:37

3♦ but then I might have opened 1nt
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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:43

Dbl...

As per passing 3♣ or not, would depend somewhat on methods. But assuming no further agreements, I pass.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:54

Dbl is clear, what to do after 3♣ depends on your methods...
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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:54

I would bid 3 Club over pds 2 NT (Lebensohl) bid and I would not pass a possible 3 Club.
If we did not agree on anysohl here, I would pass 3 Club, accepting some ridicolous contracts from time to time.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 02:16

Dbl and play lebensohl by responder :blink:
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Posted 2008-April-15, 02:46

This depends quite a lot on how much or little and what hands partner can act on over 2♠.

I think it is relatively unlikely that the opponents will push to 3♠ so our main way to win is to find a diamond fit. Other chances are a playable club fit or a spade penalty.

One opponent has made a weak jump and most do not freely bid again after that and the other opponent has already not raised to 3♠ which most would do fairly freely with a wide range of hand at this vulnerability.

Bidding (or doubling) may work out badly at these colours even if we have a fit and given there is no guarantee of that I can't see how bidding is right. I reckon we will give up too many 200s even when we are not doubled to make it not worthwhile.

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Posted 2008-April-15, 03:06

I don't know why anyone wants to be playing Lebensohl on this hand. This seems a good advertisement for 2NT as "two places to play".
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Posted 2008-April-15, 03:14

gnasher, on Apr 15 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

I don't know why anyone wants to be playing Lebensohl on this hand. This seems a good advertisement for 2NT as "two places to play".

Point is, opener can have a fairly good hand and responder sometimes will have to pass with 7-8 hcp. 2NT as lebensohl will tell responder's really weak passes from moderate ones, so it seems more useful than 2NT as scrambling.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 03:16

whereagles, on Apr 15 2008, 10:14 AM, said:

gnasher, on Apr 15 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

I don't know why anyone wants to be playing Lebensohl on this hand.  This seems a good advertisement for 2NT as "two places to play".

Point is, opener can have a fairly good hand and responder sometimes will have to pass with 7-8 hcp. 2NT as lebensohl will tell responder's really weak passes from moderate ones, so it seems more useful than 2NT as scrambling.

Yes, I understand the benefits of Lebensohl. But on this hand I don't want to be playing it.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-15, 03:42

Double and pass seems clear cut to me.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 05:29

I agree that scrambling is a better tool for this hand. But I would not believe that I can use this without discussion.
I think with scambling avaiable, this hand is never a problem, or is it?
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Posted 2008-April-15, 07:55

Codo, on Apr 15 2008, 12:29 PM, said:

I think with scambling avaiable, this hand is never a problem, or is it?

I would say the opposite. Without scrambling it's a wtp pass. With scrambling I would have to think about it :D
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Posted 2008-April-15, 08:18

I also prefer scrambling here. Double and pass seems automatic.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-15, 11:01

whatever Hannie said.
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