[jahol]

This is the board

Scoring: IMP

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and this is the bidding

W------N------E------S
----------------P------P
1D-----1H----3D-----P....

1D - natural, at least four diamonds
3D - maximum of pass, diamond support

3D made, -110 for E-W, average score in the room +440 for N-S (game in H made mostly). Who should be blamed?

1) N for chicken-hearted bidding
2) S for chicken hearted bidding
3) E-W for wrong explanation (using) of the 3D bid (director should be called)
4) the other tables for allowing the 4H contract to be made?

[655321]

a) North's final pass was reasonable, with KQx in the opponents suit.
b) South's pass over 3♦ was awful - good 4 card support and a singleton in the opponents suit.
c) Huh?
d) It takes a club lead (or spade lead and club shift) to beat 4♥. East could lead a black suit, but leading a diamond doesn't look like an error to me.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 If you want to blame the NS partnership,
you can exclude North, what should he do,
if his partner plays dead man, and he is
looking at wastage in diamond?

#2 South should certainly bid 3H, what more
does he need?

#3 well, the explanation does not match completely,
but is not far off either.
I am pretty sure, 3D was not inv., but a passed hand
may still hold a inv. hand.
I would have prefered to hear "not inv., preemptive,
but not complete garbage".

#4 no idea, I am not good at judging those things

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

[P_Marlowe]

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

Are you seriously blaming North?
If you think, North dserves a portion of the blame
for playing with South, I would say ok, I understand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 02:13 AM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

Are you seriously blaming North?

He gets a bigger portion for letting himself be stolen from with his hand. His partner is short in diamonds and didn't preempt in spades, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jahol]

I am not trying to blame anybody, in advance... just interested in your opinion. But one comment:

I agree that north final pass is a solid bid. But - is not north's hand too nice to bid just 1H? How about double with H bid later? Anyway, north has got SIX hearts, what significantly increases strength of his hand.

[helene_t]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 08:13 AM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

Are you seriously blaming North?
If you think, North dserves a portion of the blame
for playing with South, I would say ok, I understand.

rofl. 100000% agree with Uwe.

Josh, I really have to disagree with your statement that North should make his decision based on South being short in diamonds and not having preempted in spades. For all he knows, EW are in a 3-4 fit. S should bid his cards himself.

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 08:52 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 02:13 AM, said:

Are you seriously blaming North?

He gets a bigger portion for letting himself be stolen from with his hand. His partner is short in diamonds and didn't preempt in spades, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

His partner is short in diamonds, didn't preempt in spades, didn't support hearts, and didn't make a takeout double of 3♦. So what has he got?

It's certainly possible that he has a routine heart raise but omitted to say so. Don't you think it more likely that he has a pile of junk with some black cards?

[jtfanclub]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

#1 If you want to blame the NS partnership,
you can exclude North, what should he do,
if his partner plays dead man, and he is
looking at wastage in diamond?

Don't most experts play a 2♥ bid over 1♦ in this auction and vulnerability as an Intermediate Jump Overcall?

And if this is not an IJO, isn't it too strong, and therefore North has to find a double over 3♦?

[P_Marlowe]

jtfanclub, on Apr 18 2008, 10:03 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

#1 If you want to blame the NS partnership,
     you can exclude North, what should he do,
     if his partner plays dead man, and he is
     looking at wastage in diamond?

Don't most experts play a 2♥ bid over 1♦ in this auction and vulnerability as an Intermediate Jump Overcall?

And if this is not an IJO, isn't it too strong, and therefore North has to find a double over 3♦?

Hi,

IJO make certainly sense, but in my opinion
WJS are standard, but I cant speak for the
world, only for Germany (at least partly).

I would pass, X would be t/o oriented, optional,
and if I go in, and partner is broke or if he bids
spades, I will regret it.
Why risk 500 or more, if they have settled for 110?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[cherdano]

South's pass is so bad, he gets 200% of the blame by default.

[cherdano]

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 01:52 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 02:13 AM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

Are you seriously blaming North?

He gets a bigger portion for letting himself be stolen from with his hand. His partner is short in diamonds and didn't preempt in spades, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

And he couldn't act over 3♦, so he probably has some crap like KJxxx xx xx Qxxx?

[neilkaz]

South has to raise to 3♥ here, in this case getting the team to game, and in other cases fighting for the part score.

[jdonn]

helene_t, on Apr 18 2008, 03:34 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2008, 08:13 AM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

How about both?!?! But more south. North gets 100%, south gets 10000%

Are you seriously blaming North?
If you think, North dserves a portion of the blame
for playing with South, I would say ok, I understand.

rofl. 100000% agree with Uwe.

Josh, I really have to disagree with your statement that North should make his decision based on South being short in diamonds and not having preempted in spades. For all he knows, EW are in a 3-4 fit. S should bid his cards himself.

Well I don't know why I'm getting into this argument, I did give south 100 times more blame than north in my original post But I would still definitely balance as north, unlike it seems like most of you I am not automatically assuming the worst case scenario. Like cherdano's example, if you just move the jack into hearts then on the likely diamond lead I bet 3♥ makes as often as not, and that was an example specifically picked by him with no truly working honors. As usual? bidding may have risk but passing has, to me, clearly more.

I can reiterate. I disagree with north's judgment. But south was high on crack and opium and the same time.