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A recurring issue makes me think. I'm wondering if anyone does anything like the following, or has any thoughts on it.
Blah-blah-blah starts us out. We decide to use RKCB, and then ask for the Queen.
Now, I have seen many situations where the lack of the Queen in a 4-4 fit suggests playing in the other fit and then ditching the two small cards, or at least avoiding 4-1 splits in that suit. In other words, maybe bidding RKCB for hearts, no Queen, convert to 6♠ instead.
So, this got me to thinking. It seems potentially useful for the "I ain't got the Queen" answer to be six of the cheapest possible focus suit, if the auction is forced to slam.
Simple example.
1♥-P-2♣-P-3♣-P-3♥...
...cuebidding...
...4NT-P-5♦-P-5♥/♠(if one of these is your Q ask)-P-6♣(no)-P(OK, then let's try the club fit).
The same thing might occur in other sequences, such as a specific King ask. Same start, Responder eventually bidding 5NT, for example. With no Kings, Opener could bid 6♣. 6♥ would then suggest the club King.
Thoughts?
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Posted 2008-April-12, 09:15
Get this essential asking done lower in auction. Even if a bid is reserved just for slam asks initiator.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 10:03
If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 12:49
FrancesHinden, on Apr 12 2008, 05:03 PM, said:
If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it?
I agree with Ken that there are sometimes auctions where you know that you have two possible trump fits, and one of them will probably be good enough, but you won't know which one. In that fairly small set of auctions it would be useful to be able to bid as Ken describes, but you'd need detailed rules about the circumstances in which the agreement applied, lest chaos ensue.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-12, 14:34
gnasher, on Apr 12 2008, 01:49 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Apr 12 2008, 05:03 PM, said:
If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it?
I agree with Ken that there are sometimes auctions where you know that you have two possible trump fits, and one of them will probably be good enough, but you won't know which one. In that fairly small set of auctions it would be useful to be able to bid as Ken describes, but you'd need detailed rules about the circumstances in which the agreement applied, lest chaos ensue.
This is sort of what I thought. The most obvious example is a situation where two fits have been "established," such as a 2/1 in a minor that is raised before Responder reverts to the major. In that (obvious?) situation, then the negative reply to many asking bids that force slam could be six of the minor rather than six of the major.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 13:30
gnasher, on Apr 12 2008, 07:49 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Apr 12 2008, 05:03 PM, said:
If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it?
Yes. I don't usually play 5NT as pick a slam either...
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Posted 2008-April-14, 00:14
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If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
The goal is honorable because i truly believe finding the best strain to play slam is the easiest way to win imps at a fairly high level. However I dont see why you should be forced to the 6 level after asking for the Q ?
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Posted 2008-April-14, 05:44
benlessard, on Apr 14 2008, 01:14 AM, said:
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If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level.
The goal is honorable because i truly believe finding the best strain to play slam is the easiest way to win imps at a fairly high level. However I dont see why you should be forced to the 6 level after asking for the Q ?
In some sequences, you would not be. The idea is for when you would.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
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