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System natural 4°Major
1♥-2♣
2♦- ??

What bid patner?
Answered deducted but I have come some doubts. I bid always 2♥ but perhaps there it is something of better or of different fact with only 1♠, from the usual 2♥ bids that taught me?
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Scoring: MP

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[hrothgar]

Hi there

I suspect that most players would recommend starting some kind of forcing major suit raise rather than bidding 2♣.

Many people use 1H - 2NT to show a game foricng hand with 4+ card heart support. (Others use 1H - 2♠ to use the same hand type).

If I were playing a fairly natural system, I'd prefer to start by establishing an GF and setting trump rather than showing a 4 card club suit.

With this said and done, your 2♣ bid stuck gold. You now know that you have a double fit with partner. You have a 9+ card Heart fit and an 8+ card Diamond fit. Moreover, you have a very real chance of making an intelligent choice to play in a 4-4 minor suit fit rather than a 5-4 major suit fit. You have clubs nicely controlled and your shortage isn't opposite one of partner's real suits.

Give partner

Axx
Axxxx
AKxx
x

and you have a nice comfortable grand

I might be boring and simply bid Keycard in Diamonds... If partner has a third club the opponents have 10+ card spade fit and haven't found a bid...

[jdonn]

Hi Richard. I don't see any possible advantage to playing a 4-4 diamond fit over a 5-4 heart fit on this hand. Agree with making some heart raise right away though.

[hrothgar]

jdonn, on Apr 10 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

Hi Richard. I don't see any possible advantage to playing a 4-4 diamond fit over a 5-4 heart fit on this hand. Agree with making some heart raise right away though.

Hi Josh

You're probably right. I'm having a lot of trouble constructing a hand where the 4-4 Diamond fit will play better than the 5-4 Heart fit. It matters somethimes, but this doesn't appear to be one of those cases.

Potentially, the bid advantage of the 2♦ bid is that you can (now) use keycard to place the Diamond King without having to rely on your cue bidding prowess...

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hrothgar, on Apr 10 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

Hi there

I suspect that most players would recommend starting some kind of forcing major suit raise rather than bidding 2♣.

Many people use 1H - 2NT to show a game foricng hand with 4+ card heart support. (Others use 1H - 2♠ to use the same hand type).

If I were playing a fairly natural system, I'd prefer to start by establishing an GF and setting trump rather than showing a 4 card club suit.

With this said and done, your 2♣ bid stuck gold. You now know that you have a double fit with partner. You have a 9+ card Heart fit and an 8+ card Diamond fit. Moreover, you have a very real chance of making an intelligent choice to play in a 4-4 minor suit fit rather than a 5-4 major suit fit. You have clubs nicely controlled and your shortage isn't opposite one of partner's real suits.

Give partner

Axx
Axxxx
AKxx
x

and you have a nice comfortable grand

I might be boring and simply bid Keycard in Diamonds... If partner has a third club the opponents have 10+ card spade fit and haven't found a bid...

Unfortunately the 2♣bid it does not please not even me but this is a quiz and i must to answer...then what i can bid? 2♠? or 2♥ or .....I dont know
Sorry for my bad english but i try !!

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hrothgar, on Apr 10 2008, 01:24 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 10 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

Hi Richard. I don't see any possible advantage to playing a 4-4 diamond fit over a 5-4 heart fit on this hand. Agree with making some heart raise right away though.

Hi Josh

You're probably right. I'm having a lot of trouble constructing a hand where the 4-4 Diamond fit will play better than the 5-4 Heart fit. It matters somethimes, but this doesn't appear to be one of those cases.

Potentially, the bid advantage of the 2♦ bid is that you can (now) use keycard to place the Diamond King without having to rely on your cue bidding prowess...

Help what I can bid? I understand double fit♦♥. Then ??? 2♥ or 2♠ or....????

[helene_t]

2♥ is probably not forcing in a 4-card major system. Then 3♥. Maybe that is not forcing either. Then 2♠. Or maybe 3♠ which should be a splinter for diamonds.

[brianshark]

1♥-4♥ is a fairly weak pre-emptive raise.

1♥-[response]
[rebid]-4♥ is a GF with ♥ support and 10-14 pts or so.

1♥-[response]
[rebid]-[4th suit]
[some bid]-4♥ is usually a GF with ♥ support and 15-18 pts.

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brianshark, on Apr 11 2008, 06:36 AM, said:

1♥-4♥ is a fairly weak pre-emptive raise.

1♥-[response]
[rebid]-4♥ is a GF with ♥ support and 10-14 pts or so.

1♥-[response]
[rebid]-[4th suit]
[some bid]-4♥ is usually a GF with ♥ support and 15-18 pts.

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helene_t, on Apr 11 2008, 06:13 AM, said:

2♥ is probably not forcing in a 4-card major system. Then 3♥. Maybe that is not forcing either. Then 2♠. Or maybe 3♠ which should be a splinter for diamonds.

Thanks one thousand thanks you are kind state!!!