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Is this hand a 5D bid? Pre-emptive problem

Poll: Do you pre-empt 5D? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you pre-empt 5D?

  1. Yes (23 votes [85.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.19%

  2. No (4 votes [14.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

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#21 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2008-April-09, 08:55

Firstly I don't agree with passing as dealer with this hand. I would have opened 1♦.

When you pass and then come in with 2NT it makes your hand look preemptive in nature.

Regardless, 2NT at this point has shown your hand, supposedly. Partner could have any number of hands to bid 5♦ and holding your hand I'm not sure what those could be. I think you should trust him to know what the right level is and whether it's right to sacrifice over 5♠ since he should have more total information than you.

5♦ is definitely not an invitation to slam. And partner seems to have done right by taking a sac over a makeable 4♠ and pushing them to an unmakeable 5♠.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 09:10

kfay, on Apr 9 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Firstly I don't agree with passing as dealer with this hand. I would have opened 1♦.

Is there some bug in everyone else's web browser that makes this auction particularly hard to understand?

Dealer had 98xx Jx JT9x K9x. He passed, and then bid 5♦. The player with void Kx AKQxxx Txxxx was in third seat, and overcalled 2NT at his first opportunity.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 09:33

gnasher, on Apr 9 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

kfay, on Apr 9 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Firstly I don't agree with passing as dealer with this hand.  I would have opened 1♦.

Is there some bug in everyone else's web browser that makes this auction particularly hard to understand?

Dealer had 98xx Jx JT9x K9x. He passed, and then bid 5♦. The player with void Kx AKQxxx Txxxx was in third seat, and overcalled 2NT at his first opportunity.

oh yeah you're right :P
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Posted 2008-April-09, 10:16

We have 9 trumps and they have 8 or 9. Add one trick for the double fit. The purity is better than average and sometimes they have 9 trumps. So there is a good chance of 19 total tricks. At least there should be 18 in which case 5♦ is a good save against 4♠= (wins 620-500=120) but not against 4♠+1 (loses 800-650 = 150).

I bid 5♦.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 17:49

cccheung, on Apr 9 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

6DX -3 -500 (HA, CAQJ) while 5S -1 (HK, DA)

Do you think we are unlucky, or I shall not bid 6D?

I don't think you are unlucky, last time I checked you needed 3 tricks to beat 5♠, and 500 is better than 650.

BTW 5♦ with double fit is automatic.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 18:10

cccheung, on Apr 9 2008, 09:49 AM, said:

Sorry that the confusion. Yes, partner is south, we are white, they are red.

Bidding goes:
P (1S) 2N (3S)
5D (5S) 6D (X)

After partner's 5D, I tried 6D with this hand and got doubled:
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Kx
AKQxxx
Txxxx

6DX -3 -500 (HA, CAQJ) while 5S -1 (HK, DA)

I blamed my partner for his 5D bid (as I think it normally is 5card)

Do you think we are unlucky, or I shall not bid 6D?

Regardless of result I hate the 2NT bid, there is too much discrepancy. I would much rather overcall diamonds then bid clubs next.
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