[karlson]

Scoring: IMP

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Two passes to RHO, who opens 3♣. You pass and partner reopens with a double. You bid 3♦ (agree?) and partner tries 3♠.

What is this? What do you do?

[jdonn]

6-4 in the majors. I raise. Maybe KJxxxx KQxx xx x?

[655321]

jdonn, on Apr 6 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

6-4 in the majors. I raise. Maybe KJxxxx KQxx xx x?

I am fairly sure he doesn't hold the ♠K .

I actually think the auction doesn't exist. 6-4s strong enough to bid like this, and happy to defend 3♣X would have opened 1♠.

[whereagles]

I think it can still be a 5-4, so I'll pass.

[Cascade]

655321, on Apr 7 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 6 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

6-4 in the majors. I raise. Maybe KJxxxx KQxx xx x?

I am fairly sure he doesn't hold the ♠K .

I actually think the auction doesn't exist. 6-4s strong enough to bid like this, and happy to defend 3♣X would have opened 1♠.

Not sure I agree.

Would you open 1♠ or pass out 3♣ with

♠ Axxxxx ♥ KJxx ♦ xx ♣ x ?

[655321]

Cascade, on Apr 6 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

655321, on Apr 7 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

I actually think the auction doesn't exist.  6-4s strong enough to bid like this, and happy to defend 3♣X would have opened 1♠.

Not sure I agree.

Would you open 1♠ or pass out 3♣ with

♠ Axxxxx ♥ KJxx ♦ xx ♣ x ?

Fair enough, maybe you are right.

[nige1]

karlson, on Apr 6 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Two passes to RHO, who opens 3♣. You pass and partner reopens with a double. You bid 3♦ (agree?) and partner tries 3♠.
What is this? What do you do?

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I guess partner has a weak major two suiter. Say ...
♠Qxxxxxx ♥KQxx ♦x ♣x
Now, IMO _P = 10, 4♠ = 9, 4♥ = 6

[hatchett]

Quote

Qxxxxxx ♥KQxx ♦x ♣x 

lol. I hope that's not his hand

[mike777]

tough to come up with a hand a partner would not open a light one spade or a sound (very) 2spades, with side heart suit.

In any case I start with partner has 9+ working hcp and spades.

Tough to come up with a hand that is not a one spade or two spade opener depending on your style.

[nige1]

mike777, on Apr 6 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

tough to come up with  a hand a partner would not open a light one spade or a sound (very) 2spades, with side heart suit.
In any case I start with partner has 9+ working hcp and spades.
Tough to come up with a hand that is not a one spade or two spade opener depending on your style.

i don't expect partner to have a working 9 HCP. I agree he has ♠ but I think that they are poor quality. Say ♠ Txxxxxx ♥KJT9x ♦-♣K

edited to change ♣A to ♣K and ♥Q to ♥K, in response to Mike77's later post. (Thank you Mike77).

This post has been edited by nige1: 2008-April-06, 22:21

[kenrexford]

This is quite an auction.

Some knowledge of partner's opening style seems appropriate, as does his predisposition to the esoteric.

If I were to guess the holding, I'd guess a major two-suiter with longer spades, as people have suggested.

However, let's take a flight of fancy. Let's assume that with any impure hand with which you would balance (cannot pass some Advancer option) red you would open if you had no rebid problem and no flaw. What is P-P-3♣-P-P-3♥? For me, I'd expect 6♥/4♠ (flaw).

With 5-5 majors, I'd open -- no rebid problem.

So, what is P-P-3♣-P-P-X-P-3♦-P-3♥? Strangely, 6♠/4♥ seems to make the most sense, IMO. I must have a major two-suiter. I cannot have 5-5 or I'd open. I cannot have 4-6, or I'd balance 3♥. 6-4 is a flaw.

So, what is the remaining "flaw" hand? With 5♥/5♦, there is no rebid problem. However, with 5♠/5♦, there is a rebid problem.

So, strange as it seems, one plausible meaning for 3♠ is a 5-5 "fit bid."

Now, this is interesting. Advancer has two side Aces, Kx in spades, and five-card diamond support. Opposite something like ♠Axxxx ♥xx ♦Axxxx ♣x, 5♦ looks very good. Heck -- on a club lead, a 2-1 diamond split, and a 3-3 spade split, you might even make 6♦.

[mike777]

nige1, on Apr 6 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

mike777, on Apr 6 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

tough to come up with  a hand a partner would not open a light one spade or a sound (very) 2spades, with side heart suit.
In any case I start with partner has 9+ working hcp and spades.
Tough to come up with a hand that is not a one spade or two spade opener depending on your style.

i don't expect partner to have a working 9 HCP. I agree he has ♠ but I think that they are poor quality. Say ♠ Txxxxxx ♥QJT9x ♦-♣A

I must admit I would have ended up defending 3clubs with this hand

You play it in 3 spades or 4 spades.

Of course partner cannot have this hand....we have the ace of clubs, yes?

[karlson]

I was somewhat on Ken's wavelength -- I definitely thought 5♠-5♦ was a possibility. (Although I disagree with the premise that 5-5 majors hands have to open or pass 3♣ -- I would have definitely taken 3♥ as both majors without length distinction).

I thought that a lot of 6-4 hands might bid 3♠ instead of double since the chances of getting to a better 3♥ are pretty small (partner is very likely to bid 3♦ when you hold only a stiff or doubleton). But of course there are the possibilities of 3♣x and 4♥ so it probably makes sense to play the way the majority does.

I tried to cater to both possibilities with 4♣. Unfortunately I still ended up in 4♦-4 opposite ♠ATxxxx ♥Kxxx ♦K ♣xx. 4♠ is also rather hopeless of course, and even 3♠ will go down on the lie. Not that I think partner shouldn't balance, of course.

[Cascade]

mike777, on Apr 7 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

tough to come up with a hand a partner would not open a light one spade or a sound (very) 2spades, with side heart suit.

This is a key.

In some partnerships partner would never have a side major and in others quite frequently. That style will influence the probability that you have a hand to act later and what it might look like.

[jdonn]

nige1, on Apr 6 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

mike777, on Apr 6 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

tough to come up with  a hand a partner would not open a light one spade or a sound (very) 2spades, with side heart suit.
In any case I start with partner has 9+ working hcp and spades.
Tough to come up with a hand that is not a one spade or two spade opener depending on your style.

i don't expect partner to have a working 9 HCP. I agree he has ♠ but I think that they are poor quality. Say ♠ Txxxxxx ♥KJT9x ♦-♣K

edited to change ♣A to ♣K and ♥Q to ♥K, in response to Mike77's later post. (Thank you Mike77).

lol yup partner showed 7-5 with no spade honors!

[Halo]

I open 'rule of 20' so I would pass 3S.