[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

ps-ps-1♣*-3♦
ps-??

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Opps play polish club, 1♣ could be strong.

[Free]

Pass, it's a pressure bid situation so partner may already have overbid with a 5 card suit.

[Trinidad]

I underbid 4♦. It takes all the convenient forcing bids away and will essentially force the 1♣ opener to guess the final contract.

By underbidding to only 4♦ I give him more opportunity to guess wrong. (Besides that, partner probably only has a six card suit.)

Rik

[effervesce]

Pass. Your partner has already bid some of your diamond length for his pressure bid; don't hang him for it. I wouldnt be surprised at all if he just had 5 diamonds at this vul.

[Codo]

I doubt that it is winning bridge to bid 3 ♦ to a 1 ♣ opening from a PC pair.
In 90 and more % 1 Club is a weak NT, so your weak jumps should be as solid as over a normal 1 Club opener by a standard pair.
If 5 card diamond suits are you standard, go ahead, but I belive that pd has a normal weak jump. (Whatever is normal in 4. seat in fav.)

Anyway, now it is 4 Diamond. The shape is too bad for more.
Maybe they settle for game.

[655321]

4♦, but I have a lot of sympathy (just not the ...courage) for 5♦.

Agree that partner should be treating the Polish Club 1♣ as natural, so he has the sort of hand that would bid 3♦ at favorable over a natural opening.

[gwnn]

4♦, favorable, weeee.

3NT, inviting pd to sac, could also turn out fine

[david_c]

You do need to be a little more aggressive against a Polish 1♣, I think. Particularly in this auction - if you're sitting in fourth seat with a pre-emptive type hand and RHO opens 1♣ after two passes, now the chance of him having a strong type is pretty high. So this is a pressure-bidding situation, and more so than over a natural 1♣.

Also, as a PC player I can tell you there is a big jump in obstructiveness between the 2-level and the 3-level. The difference between the 1-level and the 2-level, or between the 3-level and the 4-level, is not so great. So, opposite a similarly-minded partner, it might be right to pass here. Partner should be stretching to bid 3♦ and you don't need to stretch to bid 4♦. But, lunatic that I am, I would probably bid 4♦ anyway.

[cherdano]

We have to bid 4♦ IMO, even if partner often has a 6-card suit (I agree with that). The chances are too big that they have a slam, which is much easier to find over pass than over 4♦. E.g. RHO might bid 4M over either call*, but he is showing a much better hand over pass. I agree 5♦ is little bit too much opposite an aggressive partner.

[Cascade]

Partner could have five diamonds? - standards are really slipping.

I mean sure he could but its much more likely that he has six or seven. I'm not playing him for five. A raise with support seems reasonable - 4♦.

[neilkaz]

4♦ for me as well, hoping they guess wrong as 5♦ is just too much with this shape as I expect PD to have only 6♦'s.

[pclayton]

4♦ does nothing but take away their cuebid. 5 is wayyy too much with this crap.

3N could muddy the waters and I have sympathy for a psyche.

I'll pass. Pard already did some damage and I'll stand pat.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Apr 7 2008, 11:28 PM, said:

4♦ does nothing but take away their cuebid. 5 is wayyy too much with this crap.

3N could muddy the waters and I have sympathy for a psyche.

I'll pass. Pard already did some damage and I'll stand pat.

I think maybe you didn't see that 1♣ was polish? They haven't described their hand type at all yet, and if it's strong they haven't described their shape, so raising takes a whole important level away from them.

[awm]

Agree with 4♦. Opener obviously has a strong option. It seems like by bidding four:

(1) Opener often has to bid 4M on a strong hand with a major. This could miss a slam because partner can't tell how much extra (beyond the minimum strong option) opener has. Partner will not know if the 4M bid is a five-card suit or a seven-card suit, and they could even play in the wrong strain.

(2) Opener often has to double with random strong balanced hands, as well as with "takeout double" shape. Again it is possible to play in the wrong strain, or to overbid or underbid the hand.

(3) If opener has a true two-suiter, good luck to them figuring out the right strain, much less level.

Obviously bidding five is even more obstructive, but all too frequently doubling 5♦ will be their best option, or at least close to their best option.

[han]

Agree with 4D, passing seems really really deep.

[whereagles]

If overcaller is me or my usual pard, PASS. We may already be too high... lol.

[joker_gib]

Also agree with 4♦ with this shape.

If partner has only 5 cards, this is probably the last time he plays in front of me !

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Apr 7 2008, 09:11 PM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 7 2008, 11:28 PM, said:

4♦ does nothing but take away their cuebid. 5 is wayyy too much with this crap.

3N could muddy the waters and I have sympathy for a psyche.

I'll pass. Pard already did some damage and I'll stand pat.

I think maybe you didn't see that 1♣ was polish? They haven't described their hand type at all yet, and if it's strong they haven't described their shape, so raising takes a whole important level away from them.

I noticed it was PC, although I'm unclear how they work out their "pretty good" from their "really good" hands here.

4♦ is OK. I'm not going to defend pass too strongly to be frank.