2/1 or sayc
#1
Posted 2008-April-06, 09:22
But i have realized that there are different systems like sayc and 2/1
which one is more used by players
#2
Posted 2008-April-06, 11:02
#3
Posted 2008-April-06, 11:53
denemeist, on Apr 6 2008, 10:22 AM, said:
But i have realized that there are different systems like sayc and 2/1
which one is more used by players
Most likely 2/1.
Lots of peoble claim to play SAYC, but if they
say this, what they really mean is, that they
play some sort of standard american.
For that matter, there are also different flavours
of 2/1 out there.
The best you can do, is try to learn either system
and build up a group of peoble you like playing with
and sync your understanding.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#4
Posted 2008-April-06, 12:17
#5
Posted 2008-April-06, 13:00
There are many reasons I say this.
The majority of 2/1 players already know sayc, while a majority of sayc players are not comfortable with or willing to play 2/1. This will open a wider variety of partnership opportunities for you.
2/1 is an extension of SAYC. I would recommend learning SAYC as a foundation to build your bidding on. In fact, most 2/1 partnerships revert to SAYC in a competitive bidding situation.
Once you learn SAYC, switching to 2/1 is a fairly easy concept. Going the other way, from 2/1 to SAYC, would be harder.
That being said, switch to 2/1 as soon as possible, then explore other systems to see what you feel most comfortable with and just to see what is out there.
#6
Posted 2008-April-06, 13:05
Also -- a word of caution, not everyone who lists themselves as an expert online is, (quite the opposite often) so take with a grain of salt any "advice" you receive online, unless it is from a trusted source. Look into the BBO BIL (beginners & intermediate lounge).
have fun, don't worry about system too much yet, get a feel for the cards first.
#7
Posted 2008-April-06, 13:20
#8
Posted 2008-April-06, 13:42
cherdano, on Apr 7 2008, 08:20 AM, said:
This is the best advice.
If there was any choice with some playing one system and others playing another system then I would choose the simplest and most natural system as the first to learn.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#9
Posted 2008-April-06, 14:24
If you've started down the road of SAYC I'd stick with it.
#10
Posted 2008-April-06, 14:37
#11
Posted 2008-April-06, 14:44
However, as soon as the auction starts to be competitive, the generally accepted standards in bidding start to look like SAYC. In competition, a 2/1 (two over one, e.g. 1♥-(Pass or 1♠)-2♦) is not game forcing, but forcing for one round.
My advice: Play a form of Standard American for at least three years. Don't play any conventions other than Stayman, Blackwood and the take out double (1x-Dbl). You will learn how to bid.
When you get genuinely frustrated by the problems that cannot be solved by this simple system, keep playing it for another half year (to get really fed up with it) and then switch to 2/1.
Rik
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#12
Posted 2008-April-08, 15:03
Trinidad, on Apr 6 2008, 03:44 PM, said:
My advice: Play a form of Standard American for at least three years. Don't play any conventions other than Stayman, Blackwood and the take out double (1x-Dbl). You will learn how to bid.
When you get genuinely frustrated by the problems that cannot be solved by this simple system, keep playing it for another half year (to get really fed up with it) and then switch to 2/1.
Rik
True. I really don't know how you could learn 2/1 without knowing like 99%+ of SAYC.
I also heartily endorse the idea of keeping gadgets to a minimum.
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V
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#13
Posted 2008-April-08, 18:50
best regards
jocdelevat
#14
Posted 2008-April-09, 00:19
jocdelevat, on Apr 9 2008, 09:50 AM, said:
I don't get this.
If your partner want to stick to SAYC, better use your brain to learn something more useful then a system your partners do not play.
(F..e. the Prescription for duck with bamboo or some carding signals)
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#15
Posted 2008-April-09, 01:26
jocdelevat, on Apr 8 2008, 04:50 PM, said:
Don't be stuck playing with only one person. Play with many people, and one of them will already know 2/1 or be happy to learn it with you.
#16
Posted 2008-April-09, 13:33
CSGibson, on Apr 9 2008, 02:26 AM, said:
This is very true. If you play with just one (probably not very experienced) partner you will end up with all sorts of embedded misconceptions.
My advice would be play 2/1 immediately. I disagree with those that say it is a progression from a better starting point of SAYC. I play 2/1 having been brought up on 4 card major ACOL (2/1 is a vast improvement, but I stick to my weak NT
So from choice start with 2/1, but you are constrained to play the same system as your partner, and if that is SAYC ...

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