[nige1]

han, on Apr 3 2008, 01:46 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Anyways, you got yourself into trouble by making an idiotic bid on the last round. Is there anything that you can do to control the damage?
(1H) - p - (2H) - 2S
(4H) - p - (p) - ??
Your call?

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• Over (2♥). IMO 2♠ = 10, 4♠ = 6, X = 5.
  
• Now IMO _X = 10, 4♠ =5, _P = 4. Aren't you glad that you overcalled a sensible 2♠ over (2♥) instead of making an idiotic _X

[jdonn]

How about the actual hand han? Before this guy goes bonkers with the little yellow faces...

[ArtK78]

I would bid 2♠ the first time and double over 4♥.

I have been called an idiot before, so if you want to pile on, feel free.

[han]

jdonn, on Apr 4 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

How about the actual hand han? Before this guy goes bonkers with the little yellow faces...

I bid 2S and then 4S. The opponents bid 5H and went down 1.

At the other table my hand also bid 2S (!) and then passed 4H (!!!) which made.

IMPs to the good guys but we still lost.

[dcvetkov]

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts. Do you really think, idea of saving 4s will occur to him that frequently? I agree with the previous post, who said he will almost never pull.

I think that puts partner under enormous pressure. For this reason I would bid 4s now ( or 3s previously if it shows this type of hand).
When you are stuck, you remain stuck.

[gnasher]

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts. Do you really think, idea of saving 4s will occur to him that frequently?

If partner has a 24(34) 0-count, it is probably wrong to save in 4♠ anyway, or we may be dead whatever we do. Whilst it's possible that 4♥ makes and 4♠ costs only 300, our best chance is surely to try to beat 4♥.

If I really thought partner had such a poor hand I'd pass out 4♥, but it seems pessimistic to assume that he has a hand which is utterly useless in offence and almost as bad in defence.

[mikeh]

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts.

Wow, and I used to think that I was a bridge-pessimist.

If your partners consistently hold hands such as this one, why bother getting out of bed in the morning?

Let's say you held AKQ6543 AKQJ32 void void... what if LHO held J10987x 10987654 void void... jeez.. maybe I'd better open 1♠ and sell out cheap

Bridge is a game of probabilities, of risk-reward analysis and 'glass is mostly empty' analysis won't win very often.

And I have news for you.... some opps have been known to bid 4♥ without a powerhouse, and on hands on which they don't take 10 tricks...or have defence to 4♠... and those opps feast on timid bidders.

[FrancesHinden]

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts. Do you really think, idea of saving 4s will occur to him that frequently? I agree with the previous post, who said he will almost never pull.

I think that puts partner under enormous pressure. For this reason I would bid 4s now ( or 3s previously if it shows this type of hand).
When you are stuck, you remain stuck.

Looking at
xx
xxxx
xxx
xxxx

I expect partner to bid 4S over the double

(see the ruling thread where on a not totally differnt auction we say there is no LA to bidding 4S)

[dcvetkov]

mikeh, on Apr 4 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts.

Wow, and I used to think that I was a bridge-pessimist.

If your partners consistently hold hands such as this one, why bother getting out of bed in the morning?

Let's say you held AKQ6543 AKQJ32 void void... what if LHO held J10987x 10987654 void void... jeez.. maybe I'd better open 1♠ and sell out cheap

Bridge is a game of probabilities, of risk-reward analysis and 'glass is mostly empty' analysis won't win very often.

And I have news for you.... some opps have been known to bid 4♥ without a powerhouse, and on hands on which they don't take 10 tricks...or have defence to 4♠... and those opps feast on timid bidders.

Mike I dont disagree, in general. Your example is of course... overkill, I dont know what the right word is;))

Ok, partner may have 0-3 points,,, maybe 4. But thats generous. I think we are outgunned in MP.My point is to double with this hand puts pressure on partner, and he may not guess correctly whether to defend or play. He certainly would not expect 6-1-3-3 hand. While bidding 4s over 4H usually is right, I would get this hand off my chest immediately, by bidding 3s or 4s, or doubling and bidding spades at mimumum level. Then I stay silent.

[dcvetkov]

mikeh, on Apr 4 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts.

Wow, and I used to think that I was a bridge-pessimist.

If your partners consistently hold hands such as this one, why bother getting out of bed in the morning?

Let's say you held AKQ6543 AKQJ32 void void... what if LHO held J10987x 10987654 void void... jeez.. maybe I'd better open 1♠ and sell out cheap

Bridge is a game of probabilities, of risk-reward analysis and 'glass is mostly empty' analysis won't win very often.

And I have news for you.... some opps have been known to bid 4♥ without a powerhouse, and on hands on which they don't take 10 tricks...or have defence to 4♠... and those opps feast on timid bidders.

Mike I dont disagree, in general. Your example is of course... overkill, I dont know what the right word is;))

Ok, partner may have 0-3 points,,, maybe 4. But thats generous. I think we are outgunned in MP.My point is to double with this hand puts pressure on partner, and he may not guess correctly whether to defend or play. He certainly would not expect 6-1-3-3 hand. While bidding 4s over 4H usually is right, I would get this hand off my chest immediately, by bidding 3s or 4s, or doubling and bidding spades at mimumum level. Then I stay silent.

[mikeh]

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

He certainly would not expect 6-1-3-3 hand. While bidding 4s over 4H usually is right, I would get this hand off my chest immediately, by bidding 3s or 4s, or doubling and bidding spades at mimumum level. Then I stay silent.

I disagree (btw, 'overkill' is a very polite description of my earlier unsubtle post, thank you ).

I think that 2♠ followed by double will be read as 'probably' 6=1=3=3. It is definitely not a penalty double, especially in front of the 4♥ bidder. I suspect that if you gave the sequence of 2♠ then double of 4♥ to a panel of 20 experts, and asked them to describe the most common hand type, 19 would suggest 6=1=3=3, with about 17 hcp, and the 20th would have misread the problem

Now, if you said double then double, of course no-one would list 6=1=3=3 amongst the top 4 or 5 hand types (if at all).

[nige1]

jdonn, on Apr 4 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

How about the actual hand han? Before this guy goes bonkers with the little yellow faces...

Go bonkers?
We pacmaniacs arrived about 28 years ago!

[jdonn]

Good lord....

Hey out of curiosity what was the full hand? At the very least we know it's right to get to 4♠ one way or another, just curious if partner would have done that over a later double.

[Cascade]

FrancesHinden, on Apr 5 2008, 07:35 AM, said:

dcvetkov, on Apr 4 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

For all doublers the second time;)

How do you think poor partner will feel looking at his 0 count , maybe 2 small spades, and probably 4 hearts. Do you really think, idea of saving 4s will occur to him that frequently? I agree with the previous post, who said he will almost never pull.

I think that puts partner under enormous pressure. For this reason I would bid 4s now ( or 3s previously if it shows this type of hand).
When you are stuck, you remain stuck.

Looking at
xx
xxxx
xxx
xxxx

I expect partner to bid 4S over the double

(see the ruling thread where on a not totally differnt auction we say there is no LA to bidding 4S)

Might we not have only five spades for 2♠?

some strong 5=1=4-3 seems possible to me for 2♠ then double.

[han]

jdonn, on Apr 4 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

Hey out of curiosity what was the full hand? At the very least we know it's right to get to 4♠ one way or another, just curious if partner would have done that over a later double.

Yeah he would bid 4S, he had three small spades and a 3-count. I believe two small hearts.

[OleBerg]

I would have bid 4♠ on first round. Since I didnt, I bid it now.

I expect to go minus more often, than when I pass, but a game is still a game. (For both sides.)

Double is clearcut at matchpoint.

Best Regards

Ole Berg