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Posted 2008-April-03, 09:25
How do you go about bidding this hand if 3♦ here (edited) actually shows diamonds?
1♣ here shows 15+ HCP and 1♠ is natural and GF (9+)
1♣ here shows 15+ HCP and 1♠ is natural and GF (9+)
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Posted 2008-April-03, 09:45
Can't I start some super deluxo Precision asking bids here?
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Posted 2008-April-03, 10:02
To support spades I have to jump all the way to 3D? Grrrreat.
Can't really answer the question without knowing what all these other bids mean.
Can't really answer the question without knowing what all these other bids mean.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 10:13
No I mean that 3♦ shows real diamonds. Like a solid 6-bagger or something like that.
Everything at this point is basically natural.
Everything at this point is basically natural.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 10:20
kfay, on Apr 3 2008, 11:13 AM, said:
No I mean that 3♦ shows real diamonds. Like a solid 6-bagger or something like that.
Everything at this point is basically natural.
Everything at this point is basically natural.
If you play natural, then the next call is 2♠, which sets spades as trump and starts a cue bid sequence. Cue bids are whatever you agree as cue bids, but if you're playing 70s style Precision then you're going to go cheapest ace....
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Posted 2008-April-03, 10:30
Well the point of this post, I guess, is asking how other people might bid this if they had any sensible gadgets (read: non-relay).
Do most people play 3♦ as showing real diamonds, or would you play this as a splinter? etc.
Maybe I've got this all wrong and I should just be trying to find out what partner has on this one. That's probably true.
Do most people play 3♦ as showing real diamonds, or would you play this as a splinter? etc.
Maybe I've got this all wrong and I should just be trying to find out what partner has on this one. That's probably true.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 10:32
CAB wtp? 
Without that option I would bid 2♠
Without that option I would bid 2♠
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Posted 2008-April-03, 15:01
I'm not that familar with natural style Precision, but what about rebidding 2♣? Obviously you want to play in spades, but this should improve partner's evaluation of his high cards and leaves plenty of room for both players to show their distribution.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 15:57
The only precision version I've played was based on Rigal's book precision in the 90s.
The methods he recommended after 1c-1M positive were :-
4M = min balanced no slam interest
3M = balanced slam try with good trump support
Double jump shift = min splinter
2M = trump ask after which the asker could show a max with splinter
Alternatively as an option instead of double jump shift as splinter he suggested you could use
3M as 19+ with 4 trumps and a splinter/void
3M+1 as min with undisclosed splinter
higher than 3M+1 as min with void
The methods he recommended after 1c-1M positive were :-
4M = min balanced no slam interest
3M = balanced slam try with good trump support
Double jump shift = min splinter
2M = trump ask after which the asker could show a max with splinter
Alternatively as an option instead of double jump shift as splinter he suggested you could use
3M as 19+ with 4 trumps and a splinter/void
3M+1 as min with undisclosed splinter
higher than 3M+1 as min with void
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Posted 2008-April-04, 00:31
2♠ shows fit right?
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Posted 2008-April-04, 03:10
2♠. Either natural with normal followups, or natural setting trumps and asking about the spade suit (012123 style).
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