your rebid, please? (i like polls... they're the bestest)
#1
Posted 2008-April-02, 13:48
♠A5
♥K98532
♦A3
♣KQJ
you open 1♥, p responds 1♠. opps remain silent. what call do you think is best?
#2
Posted 2008-April-02, 13:51
Second choice 2NT.
Obviously a great hand for 2♣ Gazzilli rebid.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#3
Posted 2008-April-02, 13:54
#4
Posted 2008-April-02, 13:57
I really, hate 3H with this suit.. Partner will expect better suit and 3NT could easily fall apart if heart do not produce enough tricks quickly
I can live with 2NT, but I agree wih adam 2C, although there is some risk of missing a game. On a side note, it is better to give chance partner to bid NT if possible, something tells me he needs to declarer NT ( lead coming to his probable queens in spades and diamonds)/
#5
Posted 2008-April-02, 14:04
As was already mentioned the alternative
is 2C, which would be the bid, if you would
hold a heart less Axx in diamonds.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#7
Posted 2008-April-02, 14:23
Second choice, 2NT, also reasonable.
Not that keen on 3♥, and no other bid seems plausible.
#9
Posted 2008-April-02, 14:54
#10
Posted 2008-April-02, 15:00
#11
Posted 2008-April-02, 15:21
#12
Posted 2008-April-02, 15:22
- hrothgar
#13 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-April-02, 16:28
#14
Posted 2008-April-02, 17:25
2♥ is also reasonable, and 3♥... well that's what I would teach beginners to bid, so it shouldn't be that bad
#15
Posted 2008-April-02, 17:28
I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣
2N is the value bid
2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts
2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣
3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out
#16
Posted 2008-April-02, 17:59
mikeh, on Apr 2 2008, 06:28 PM, said:
I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣
2N is the value bid
2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts
2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣
3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out
Doesn't your analysis sort of ignore that you are bidding 2♥ on a decent 17 count?
#17 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-April-02, 18:11
1) There are a lot of hands that partner would pass 2C with but would raise 2N to 3N with such as 51(34) with 7/8 or 5143 9 counts. I would much rather be in 3N on these hands even though it might not be cold.
2) The main advantage of 2C is finding 6-2 heart fits, but I don't know if that's such a good thing. I'm not really unhappy playing 3N with 6-2 heart fits rather than 4H.
3) If we bid 2C then over 2M raising to 3M is an underbid, and partner will evaluate something like xxx clubs incorrectly as cherdano pointed out. I think in general partner will do a better job evaluating over a 2N rebid than after 2C then 3M.
4) If we have a slam I would rather have rebid 2N than 2C, since I will end up distorting my hand way more having rebid 2C.
#18
Posted 2008-April-02, 18:13
jdonn, on Apr 2 2008, 06:59 PM, said:
mikeh, on Apr 2 2008, 06:28 PM, said:
I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣
2N is the value bid
2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts
2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣
3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out
Doesn't your analysis sort of ignore that you are bidding 2♥ on a decent 17 count?
no
no call is 'right', altho 2N is better, imo, than anything else. Both 2♥ and 2♣ are significant distortions. 2♣ distorts both of my suit lengths, but can contain hands of this strength. 2♥ is accurate on shape and a big strength distortion. For me, and I said I might be persuaded otherwise, the two shape distortions are about equal to and maybe bigger, in aggregate, than the one strength distortion. Besides, this is a poor(ish) 17 precisely because my hcp are primarily outside my suit. Of course, that makes 2N a bit more of an overbid... no bid is perfect, and the 100 I 'awarded' 2N isn't supposed to say that it is.
#19
Posted 2008-April-02, 18:18
All I can say about 2NT is I used to do that, and changed purely based on my experience. It happened several times in a row that we got to 3NT when we belonged in a 6-2 major suit fit. Whatever problems people cite with 2♣ seem theoretical to me since none of them have ever happened to me. Maybe I'm just that lucky.
#20
Posted 2008-April-02, 18:19

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