[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

1♦, (3♣), ?

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Unknown opps (self rated as Advanced), aggressive partner. What's your bid?

[cherdano]

Double.

[han]

Obvious double.

[CSGibson]

After double (my choice), what should partner bid with:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(3♣)-X-(p), ?

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Parner actually bid 4♣, and after I bid 4♠, jumped to 6 ♥. No contract after that is good. Critique?

[gnasher]

CSGibson, on Mar 31 2008, 05:53 AM, said:

Parner actually bid 4♣, and after I bid 4♠, jumped to 6 ♥.  No contract after that is good.  Critique?

6♠ isn't a bad contract, even after the overcall. It needs trumps 4-2 or better, and then either diamonds 3-2 or some extra tricks from the heart suit.

After a diamond or trump lead you can combine your chances by taking a heart finesse after drawing trumps and before testing diamonds. You make when diamonds are 3-2 or a heart honour is onside.

After a club lead I'd probably take a heart finesse immediately, risking a ruff. Their best defence is to force dummy, which forces me to use ♦K whilst drawing trumps, so I get the extra chance in hearts only if trumps are 3-3.

After a heart lead I'd rely on the diamond suit.

[andy_h]

Would X with the OP's hand. 4C said pick a major, 4S is spades. Then 6H(!?) Don't understand that bid. Luckily, 6S has a play. I guess you need to discuss what sort of hands would do the neg X, and what kind of hands will bid 4C over the X.

[whereagles]

dbl gogooggo

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Mar 31 2008, 10:16 AM, said:

North had a normal 4H bid over the X

If opener should bid 4♥ in reply to the double and responder should pass this, we have to play in a poor game instead of an excellent one.

I like opener's 4♣ bid, which gets us to an eight-card fit whenever there is one, and to the right seven-card fit when that's all that's available. The main problem with the auction was the 6♥ continuation, which suggests something like a strong 6-5.

[Cascade]

Double is normal.

If double is normal with one major then I think partner's 3Major needs to be forcing otherwise we get past a possible 3NT with a dubious stopper - we can just bid 3NT with a major and a good stopper.

Without that agreement partner's 4♣ is ok however the jump to 6♥ is nonsense. It shows no appreciation for the range of hands that you might have doubled on. 1♣ (1♦) Dbl is fine to show both unbid majors any higher and we all compromise sometimes. We sometimes have to compromise with only one unbid major say

♠ KQx ♥ xx ♦ xxx ♣ xxxxx

after 1♦ (1♥) ? I imagine there would be some votes for Double (which would normally promise spades).

[whereagles]

I think after dbl pard should just bid 4♥ and you should just pass and hope for the best.

[Yogeshdg]

Why are we xing guys? Please bid 3nt!

[MFA]

I think 4♣ is fine, but 6♥ looks like a missclick .

[Fluffy]

yeah 4♣ is debatable, but then you have an obvious pass of 4♠

[CSGibson]

gnasher, on Mar 31 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

CSGibson, on Mar 31 2008, 05:53 AM, said:

Parner actually bid 4♣, and after I bid 4♠, jumped to 6 ♥.  No contract after that is good.  Critique?

6♠ isn't a bad contract, even after the overcall. It needs trumps 4-2 or better, and then either diamonds 3-2 or some extra tricks from the heart suit.

After a diamond or trump lead you can combine your chances by taking a heart finesse after drawing trumps and before testing diamonds. You make when diamonds are 3-2 or a heart honour is onside.

After a club lead I'd probably take a heart finesse immediately, risking a ruff. Their best defence is to force dummy, which forces me to use ♦K whilst drawing trumps, so I get the extra chance in hearts only if trumps are 3-3.

After a heart lead I'd rely on the diamond suit.

yes, 6 level contracts do have play, but none make on the actual hand (diamonds 4-1, both heart honors offside, and clubs 6-3). But you are right in that 6 spades is a better contract.

I am wondering if doubling is the best initial action with the responding hand after all. I'm 4-3-3-3, and the only time I'm going to improve the contract is when partner has 4 spades. I think I would double and bid spades again with a weaker hand with 6+ spades, so partner can't expect this hand if she bids 3 diamonds or 3 hearts in response to my bid and hears a spade rebid; partner will never declare NT unless partner has a stopper that is holding up no matter who declares NT, and now I run the risk of being in a crappy 4-3 heart fit when the long hand is getting forced and distribution is running foul.

I think this might be a case where there are two theoretical advantages to doubling, but only one of which will ever be realized (the spade fit). I think doubling was a bad bid, and that I should have just bit the bullet and bid 3NT.

[dake50]

Best guess after opponents were so kind: 3NT. Having Kxx in partner's suit, Axx tempo(holdup) stop in opponents suit, and only 4S if 4-4 might be inferior game.

[skjaeran]

Jlall, on Mar 31 2008, 10:16 AM, said:

Agree with Xing the first time, you take the risk that partner jumps to 4H when 3N is your last making spot in order to maximize the chance of getting to good spots otherwise (specifically 3N by partner or spades).

North had a normal 4H bid over the X, but having bid 4C he should pass 4S because partner shouldn't have 4 card hearts and bid 4S unless he is 5-4. I understand what north was trying to do with 4C but it just creates too many problems. 4H is a value bid and shows partner what suit you have.

I don't think south can do anything after 6H.

Spot on.

[OleBerg]

CSGibson, on Mar 30 2008, 11:53 PM, said:

After double (my choice), what should partner bid with:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(3♣)-X-(p), ?

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Parner actually bid 4♣, and after I bid 4♠, jumped to 6♦ .  Contract that is good.

FYP

When we open in a minor, and opps. bid the other at the 2+level, preempt or not, we are in a difficult position. A negative double doesnt nesscesarily promis 4-4 in the majors. Thus 4♣ shows at least one 4-card major (choice of games), and gameforcin values. 4♠ denies a four-card heart-suit.

Best Regards

Ole Berg

[P_Marlowe]

3 NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe