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Cue or No?

Poll: 5D is? (12 member(s) have cast votes)

5D is?

  1. Cuebid in Hearts (6 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. Choice of Games (6 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. COG at IMPs, Cue at MPs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-March-31, 02:31

This auction:

1♦ - (P) - 1♥ - (1♠)
3♥ - (4♠) - 5♦*

Is 5♦ here a cuebid or a suggestion to play 5♦?
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Posted 2008-March-31, 02:41

I would just call it "to play" rather than COG, at least at IMPs. Opener will not correct to 5♥ at IMPs. (Except maybe if he has a 4432 18-count that downgraded due to spade values).
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Posted 2008-March-31, 02:51

helene_t, on Mar 31 2008, 01:41 AM, said:

I would just call it "to play" rather than COG, at least at IMPs. Opener will not correct to 5♥ at IMPs. (Except maybe if he has a 4432 18-count that downgraded due to spade values).

Yeah, this is sort of what I meant by COG (bid 5♥ only if you have no diamond suit). Sorry, it was very poorly worded.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 03:08

5D is definitely natural and non forcing.

Some of these posts lately are really surprising. Even if you bid and raise a major you can definitely suggest openers first suit later.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 03:51

To me it's a cue, probably has S/D control and lacks club one. Seems like you guys like responding 1♥ on 3 cards :)
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Posted 2008-March-31, 04:52

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Posted 2008-March-31, 05:28

whereagles, on Mar 31 2008, 04:51 PM, said:

To me it's a cue, probably has S/D control and lacks club one. Seems like you guys like responding 1♥ on 3 cards :)

Agree that it is a cue. H is the agreed suit. This is totally different from the hand that jumped to 6D in another post.

"Some of these posts lately are really surprising. Even if you bid and raise a major you can definitely suggest openers first suit later."

Why on earth would you when you have the ability to play a whole level lower and you have found a 4-4 fit?
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Posted 2008-March-31, 05:52

Funnily enough, I agree that it is totally different to the hand that bid 6D (it was not a jump) in the other post.

This one is far more clearly natural. You are in a competitive auction. You have to go to the 5-level in order to play the hand anyway. It is hardly impossible that you have an 8-card heart fit and a 9- or 10-card diamond fit.

Mind you, saying that it's the play doesn't mean that you can't bid on over it, because it's a descriptive bid: it says I have enough to bid at the 5-level and I have a diamond fit.

We had an auction yesterday that went

1C 1D x* 3D
4H 4S 5C P
6H

*4+ hearts
when simply knowing of the club fit opposite was enough to let opener bid slam
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Posted 2008-March-31, 05:59

The_Hog, on Mar 31 2008, 05:28 AM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 31 2008, 04:51 PM, said:

To me it's a cue, probably has S/D control and lacks club one. Seems like you guys like responding 1♥ on 3 cards :)

Agree that it is a cue. H is the agreed suit. This is totally different from the hand that jumped to 6D in another post.

"Some of these posts lately are really surprising. Even if you bid and raise a major you can definitely suggest openers first suit later."

Why on earth would you when you have the ability to play a whole level lower and you have found a 4-4 fit?

You misread the auction.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 12:36

Natural. This strongly suggests playing in diamonds rather than hearts.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 12:49

I think its to play. If RHO would have passed its a cue.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 18:58

cherdano, on Mar 31 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 31 2008, 05:28 AM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 31 2008, 04:51 PM, said:

To me it's a cue, probably has S/D control and lacks club one. Seems like you guys like responding 1♥ on 3 cards :)

Agree that it is a cue. H is the agreed suit. This is totally different from the hand that jumped to 6D in another post.

"Some of these posts lately are really surprising. Even if you bid and raise a major you can definitely suggest openers first suit later."

Why on earth would you when you have the ability to play a whole level lower and you have found a 4-4 fit?

You misread the auction.

Whoops yes, I missed the 4S bid. Quite right. That does change matters.
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