[benlessard]

To play.

In mp its choice of slam.

[whereagles]

jtfanclub, on Mar 31 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

Meanwhile, in Detroit we lost a team game because our teammates went:

1♣  1♠
4♠  4NT
5♠  6♣
6♠  7♣
7♠

Responder had AKx KTx  x AKJTxx.  7♣ had some play.  7♠ didn't.

This happened because of the lack of a forcing raise of a minor suit. If you define post-RKCB bids as fixes of systemic holes, instead of grand slam tries, you should at least tell pard that

[helene_t]

Jlall, on Apr 1 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

lol@ the concept of defining what bids after a keycard response means in order to fix having no forcing raise in your system. Maybe it would be better spending your discussion time adding a forcing raise to your system!

Many people at my old club played 4NT as the forcing raise

[Fluffy]

jtfanclub, on Mar 31 2008, 08:12 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Mar 31 2008, 03:09 PM, said:

with choice of slams I bid 6♦, not blackwood wich makes 6♦ a convention.

So after the wonderful auction of

1♦-1♥-4♥

how do you get the contract to 6♦ with a swan?

Maybe then I would bid 2♦ instead of 1♥, althou this argument is kinda weak I know.

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Apr 1 2008, 05:53 AM, said:

lol@ the concept of defining what bids after a keycard response means in order to fix having no forcing raise in your system. Maybe it would be better spending your discussion time adding a forcing raise to your system!

I don't understand the point of this. I'm not saying "Hey, I have this great new system. I'm calling it Standard American. Everybody should try it!"

This is the SAYC forum. In SAYC, there is no GF raise of a minor. It wasn't my idea! I'm saying that if you're playing SAYC with no other agreements, and this auction comes up, a 6♦ bid has to show diamonds, because there isn't another good way to bid it.

Certainly if you're playing with a regular partner, you should have something a little more sophisticated than this.

[whereagles]

You do have a point..

[Yogeshdg]

The 6♦ call has only 1 meaning if it isnt a defined call.

It means "Partner I have picked a fine time to pick your brains. I want to see what you do here and we can have a nice argument after hand is over."

You should never make bids that you are reasonably sure partner will not be expected to understand. Dont stress him. He has to play the hand too!

There surely has to be a better way of bidding the hand. I really hate it when people do "suit corrections"(and i am guessing this 6♦ was to play). I am sure responder had a nice ♦ raaise ,didnt know how to bid it so responded 1♥ with no ♥ suit and after pd jumped to 4♥ knew the partnership had combined slam values. So he bids 4nt asking for aces or keycards and then realizing one keycard is missing signs off in 6♦. LOL


You think partner is expected to understand all this?I am sure he will bid 6♥ and then responder will bid 6NT and blame opener when he goes down in 6NT(if 6♦ is cold).

I totally agree with Jlall. If you dont have a forcing minor raise in your system invent one by spending some time.

[skjaeran]

I've never played SAYC, and never will. But I've played natural systems for ages. I can't remember NOT playing inverted minors.