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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:36
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 00:04
def agree with our bidding so far, a good question for this auction is which bids (if any) confirm a 4 card spade suit of:
3N
4C
4H
You could argue that any of these bids could include a fake jump shift (4H especially sounds like 3316). Anyways, 4D would clearly be a good hand with 4 spades which in context of a jump shift should be a very strong hand so that seems clear.
3N
4C
4H
You could argue that any of these bids could include a fake jump shift (4H especially sounds like 3316). Anyways, 4D would clearly be a good hand with 4 spades which in context of a jump shift should be a very strong hand so that seems clear.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:10
For me 3S doesnt show extras but tend to deny a club fit. But anyway 4D seems clear.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:14
The good thing about fake jump shifts is that you can describe some really akward hands. The bad thing is that you sometimes have trouble with bred and butter hands.
In my enviroment, 2 Spade shows 4+ Spades, so 3 Spade is a clear fit and SI.
I bid 3 NT if I play it as serious here.
If I don't have this, I just try 4 Club as a cuebid with any european player and any average american and 4 NT with any expert yank who had taken my 2 Spade as a possible fake.
In my enviroment, 2 Spade shows 4+ Spades, so 3 Spade is a clear fit and SI.
I bid 3 NT if I play it as serious here.
If I don't have this, I just try 4 Club as a cuebid with any european player and any average american and 4 NT with any expert yank who had taken my 2 Spade as a possible fake.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 04:38
We never make a fake jump shift.
Perhaps never is an overbid but i can't think of the hand.
We would normally raise with 3♠ - 4♠ would show real rubbish and no side control.
Here I bid 4♣ serious interest. 3NT would show frivilous slam interest. In this context since 2♠ is limited a cue just some extra values.
Perhaps never is an overbid but i can't think of the hand.
We would normally raise with 3♠ - 4♠ would show real rubbish and no side control.
Here I bid 4♣ serious interest. 3NT would show frivilous slam interest. In this context since 2♠ is limited a cue just some extra values.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:11
Maybe in the US this isn't so, but in Europe pard's 3♠ is a strong bid. So, 4NT. Intend to bid 7 if all keys are there.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:15
If partner has 5 hearts we will often play better in clubs or hearts than spades. But I don't know how to find it.
I would start with 4♣, but keeping in mind that I must take control of the hand to be able to suggest a heart contract rather than spades.
I would start with 4♣, but keeping in mind that I must take control of the hand to be able to suggest a heart contract rather than spades.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 06:34
4NT for me as well.
As an aside, I might fake reverse 2♦, but never 2♠ if I have that other option. 3NT would be serious, and other calls cues.
As an aside, I might fake reverse 2♦, but never 2♠ if I have that other option. 3NT would be serious, and other calls cues.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 09:13
4NT
Difficult to see partner taking the initiative with all the cards I'm holding.
Difficult to see partner taking the initiative with all the cards I'm holding.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 09:15
The danger here, of course, is avoiding spades when he is something like Kxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for grand) or Jxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for small). Keycard cannot help us.
It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King.
I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect.
I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major.
So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction.
It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King.
I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect.
I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major.
So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 16:56
mikeh, on Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM, said:
The danger here, of course, is avoiding spades when he is something like Kxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for grand) or Jxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for small). Keycard cannot help us.
It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King.
I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect.
I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major.
So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction.
It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King.
I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect.
I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major.
So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction.
I'm with Mike on this one. After playing for 30+ years I haven't made a fake jump reverse 2♠, and I believe I never will. So I've promised 4c♠ here.
Btw, 4♥ should annonce that we're heading for slam. Thus partner can KC for hearts or return to spades and let me KC.
Kind regards,
Harald
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