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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-March-24, 22:55

IMPs, none:

AQ873
Q3
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AKQ8

pass - (pass) - 1S - (2H)
3S - (4H) - 4S - (5H)'
pass - (pass) - ??

3S was preemptive. Your call?
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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:04

Double

I don't feel strongly about this one. Not convinced we have a game to protect, and not convinced they are going down. But, -650 instead of -450 is not a disaster, and sometimes they will be 2 down, occasionally 3 down, so... double for me.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:44

LOL did I really think 4♠ was making? I pushed them to 5♥ WD Me.

Pass and be happy.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 00:29

pclayton, on Mar 25 2008, 12:44 AM, said:

LOL did I really think 4♠ was making? I pushed them to 5♥ WD Me.

Pass and be happy.

Totally agree with this.

Another way of looking at it is what tricks are we expecting to take? Sure we will often get 3 black suit tricks, but it is very improbable that we are taking 4 black suit tricks, and it's very possible that they make 7 on a spade lead ruffed. Even if a spade doesn't get ruffed sometimes we just have 2 tricks.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:01

WTP pass for me. 6H + 5D = 11 tricks.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:31

Worst thing for double is -650 instead of -450, best thing is + 100 instead of + 50.
So who cares about doubling.

5 Spade is between -500 and -300, so no big win if they make 5 Heart but a big loss if they don't.

I go for pass, wtp.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:36

Codo, on Mar 25 2008, 03:31 AM, said:

Worst thing for double is -650 instead of -450, best thing is + 100 instead of + 50.

or -750 or -850.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 03:39

close between pass and double, if opponents are decent I prefer to pass.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:03

Dbl was my 1st reaction, so that's what I do. It might make, of course. But it can also go down 2.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:08

whereagles, on Mar 25 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

Dbl was my 1st reaction, so that's what I do. It might make, of course. But it can also go down 2.

I though so too, but if they ruff the lead, they make all the tricks.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:09

Well, wd opps then :)
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:30

Jlall, on Mar 25 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 25 2008, 12:44 AM, said:

LOL did I really think 4♠ was making? I pushed them to 5♥ WD Me.

Pass and be happy.

Totally agree with this.

Another way of looking at it is what tricks are we expecting to take? Sure we will often get 3 black suit tricks, but it is very improbable that we are taking 4 black suit tricks, and it's very possible that they make 7 on a spade lead ruffed. Even if a spade doesn't get ruffed sometimes we just have 2 tricks.

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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:53

me four ! :)
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Posted 2008-March-25, 07:42

Jlall, on Mar 25 2008, 03:36 AM, said:

Codo, on Mar 25 2008, 03:31 AM, said:

Worst thing for double is -650 instead of -450, best thing is + 100 instead of + 50.

or -750 or -850.

I only remember applying the STADIPOS convention 'successfully' once; this will be the second :)
It is possible that other occasions have been blotted from my memory. :)
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Posted 2008-March-25, 08:03

I dunno Han. These thread titles... :)
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Posted 2008-March-25, 09:49

I apologize if you took offense. I realize that "hold your own" and"keep it up" can be misunderstood but I guarantee that I had nothing but the best intentions.

Partner's hand was J10xx x Jxx J109xx, do you want to defend doubled or undoubled?
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:05

Wish partner had made a fit jump. Makes this a bit easier.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:06

nick_s, on Mar 25 2008, 09:03 AM, said:

I dunno Han. These thread titles... :rolleyes:

You have a dirty, dirty mind.

It's a military term, meaning to withstand an assault without artillery support. It's your own ground that you're holding.

But I think you knew that. ;)
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:11

kfay, on Mar 25 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Wish partner had made a fit jump. Makes this a bit easier.

Are you serious?
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:14

kfay, on Mar 25 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

Wish partner had made a fit jump. Makes this a bit easier.

He should make a fit jump to 4♣ to help you decide whether to bid 4♠ or pass out 3♠?
His hand isn't worth more than the 3-level over 2♥ IMO, so there is no way he can make a fit jump to the 4-level. And anyway, 1S (2H) 4m as a fit jump should show a hand that is inviting to bid 5♠ over 5♥, otherwise you are just helping the opponents.
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