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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-March-24, 20:26

1NT-p-2C-3C
p-p-3D

what is this?
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Posted 2008-March-24, 20:32

Pick a major.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 20:38

Natural and forcing
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Posted 2008-March-24, 20:39

Yes, I suppose that would be the default meaning.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 22:42

It depends what hands you have in your Stayman. Some play that Stayman and then 3minor is to play. If so then this is weak. If not then this is forcing.

We would play double as takeout here. In the former case above double and bid would be strong so there is room for a non-forcing 3♦ although 4=4=5=0 is the only hand where we would start with Stayman and then have any desire to just compete with 3♦.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:02

Natural and forcing for me too.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:45

Jlall, on Mar 24 2008, 06:38 PM, said:

Natural and forcing

Ditto. Pard will frequently bid a major here by the way.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 23:48

han, on Mar 25 2008, 12:02 AM, said:

Natural and forcing for me too.

Indeed nothing else would occur to me.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 03:01

gwnn, on Mar 24 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

1NT-p-2C-3C
p-p-3D

what is this?

Did 2C promise at least inv. values?

And what would a X of 3C by operner have meant?

And what would X instead of 3D mean, would it be
neg. or penalty?

To answer your question, for me 3D would be forcing,
but since for me 2C already promised inv. values,
opener could have bid a 4 card mayor on the 3 level
.and a double by opener would have been penalty.



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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:39

Jlall, on Mar 25 2008, 03:38 AM, said:

Natural and forcing

What else ? :)
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Posted 2008-March-30, 11:13

It seems to me that opener is at the top of the agreed NT range otherwise, opener's second call would be a balance of power (BOP) double so that partner could judge to pass with an invitational hand or bid on with game values. This assumes of course that 2C promised invitational values. Since opener did not make the BOP double and did not show a major suit, opener wants partner to take appropriate action knowing that their side has game values. It follows then that 3D promises a Diamond suit and denies a Club stopper. Responder may or may not have values for game in Diamonds. Opener can find out by raising to 4D.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 00:33

I would be more interested in knowing what 3♣ meant since it is really silly to bid it as natural when you can x to show ♣s
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Posted 2008-March-31, 00:45

Yogeshdg, on Mar 31 2008, 01:33 AM, said:

I would be more interested in knowing what 3♣ meant since it is really silly to bid it as natural when you can x to show ♣s

Just as opening 3H is silly when you can open 2H to show hearts.
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