[Tomi2]

bidding goes:

(4♥) - p - (p) - X
(p) - 4♠ - (5♥) - ??

is pass here forcing?
does vuln. change this? actual we were red/red


what is your bid with:

AKQ
A
AKJxxx
Axx

[TylerE]

Here, 6♠

I probably would have bid a simple 6♦ on the first round.

EDIT: And, no, pass over 5♥ isn't forcing.

[Fluffy]

I doubt that this is forcing at an vulnerability.

You can agree that this is forcing vulnerable vs not, but partner might still pass a forcing bid with nothing.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

X, but if you really think you may miss a
slam, bid 6D.

Pass is certainly nonforcing, 4S did not
promise any value at all.

For that matter, the delayed raise to 5H
sounds more like, they intend to make 5H,
looking at your hand, you know this is
not the case, but partner doess not know
your hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[skjaeran]

Pass is not forcing here.

I'm bidding 6♦ now. Partner can take this out to 6♠ occasionally (not often).

[han]

Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe.

I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to.

[awm]

I think 6♦ is fine. Pass is not forcing. Unlike Han, I think 5NT is a grand slam try. If I just wanted to play 6♦, I would've bid 6♦ over 4♥. As usual I think double-then-bid is a flexible hand and not a strong one-suiter. If partner has 5♠ and 0-1♦, or has any hand with 6+♠, then I expect partner to pull to 6♠.

[whereagles]

I might try 5NT, following han's idea.

[Tomi2]

han, on Mar 24 2008, 10:45 AM, said:

Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe.

I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to.

couldnt we bid 6♥ as grandslam try now?

[Tomi2]

thx for all replies

partner had something like
Jxxxxx
x
Kxx
xxx

but since dias were 1-3 6!D fails while you win 7 spades

seems my idea to bid a forcing pass here was not the best one

[han]

I hope my partner will think that I'm trying for a grand.

[Cascade]

Pass is not forcing.

I will bid a slam. We play 5NT as pick-a-slam. Failing that I bid 6♦ and hope that partner realizes I have a flexible hand.

[han]

What's your call Justin?

[MFA]

I would bid like han. 5NT should surely be a choice of slams rather than a grand try.
Even though X+6♦ indicates some flexibility, I'll doubt that partner will correct this to spades often enough.

[cherdano]

Tomi2, on Mar 24 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

thx for all replies

partner had something like
Jxxxxx
x
Kxx
xxx

but since dias were 1-3 6!D fails while you win 7 spades

seems my idea to bid a forcing pass here was not the best one

We both have the ♦K, which makes it a little difficult to understand why 6♦ was failing...

In general, with this shape I would bid 6♦, but here I want partner to pull with Jxxxx xx xx xxxx, so I don't think "I have shown a flexible hand" will be sufficient to win the post-mortem.
More to the point, when I bid 5N and 6♦, partner will pull to 6♠ more often than over a direct 6♦, and when he pulls I am sure we will be in the right spot. In fact, he still won't pull often enough given that his spade suit probably doesn't contain any of the top honors (who knows for sure with two diamond kings though).

[Halo]

6D.

Nice if 5NT is pick a slam, but it wouldn't be for me.

[pclayton]

Wow. Pard doesn't pass our double of 4♥?

I'm expecting some spade length over there unless pard is the type to pull the double with some 4234 weak hand.

I'm thinking about a grand here. I think I like 5N. If pard shows some spade length, 7 seems odds on. I count about 1/2 a loser.

I'm also confused about the ♦K.

[benlessard]

I knew that most wont play forcing pass here but for me i see no reason why it isnt FP.

My "balancing"X at 4H says that im ready to play 4♥X if partner had a zero count with 4333, so im also ready to play 5♥X too. For me 5Nt is pick a slam and pass & pull is the strongest slam try, so pass followed by 5Nt is describing my hand pretty well.