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Just saw this hand on BBO
Pard opens 2C (strong). RHO passes.
J97 --- JT75432 J83
Some play 2N shows a really bad 7-card suit. Is this useful?
Would have been on this hand. Pard had --- AKQxxxx AKx KQx.
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After we open 2C (strong)
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Posted 2008-March-24, 02:04
wonder how often this would totally wrongside a NT contract...
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Posted 2008-March-24, 02:16
How is it working? Does opener bid 3C: pass or correct, unless shehe has game on own hand? A little á la Lebensohl?
Better is, I think, similiar but another modell.
In Sweden it is common with 2D as almost mandatory relay. Exception: long, weak major 6+ hands. You bid these, opener can pass. Bids on only with either a good fit OR selfgoing gamehand.
This makes many Swedes reverses the 2NT: 2NT=22-24, 2C followed by 2NT is the usual 20-21. The risk is thus much lesser that 2NT - 3x, 3M goes one down if responder has a yarborough.
Now, it is easy to build up that convention into a further agreement, as all bids are empty: 3C and 3D similiar weak hands. Perhaps even 2NT 55 in minors.
Better is, I think, similiar but another modell.
In Sweden it is common with 2D as almost mandatory relay. Exception: long, weak major 6+ hands. You bid these, opener can pass. Bids on only with either a good fit OR selfgoing gamehand.
This makes many Swedes reverses the 2NT: 2NT=22-24, 2C followed by 2NT is the usual 20-21. The risk is thus much lesser that 2NT - 3x, 3M goes one down if responder has a yarborough.
Now, it is easy to build up that convention into a further agreement, as all bids are empty: 3C and 3D similiar weak hands. Perhaps even 2NT 55 in minors.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 05:15
matmat, on Mar 24 2008, 08:04 AM, said:
wonder how often this would totally wrongside a NT contract...
Not really. A weak hand with bad 7 card suit normally plays best in the suit, not in NT.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 15:06
How about
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
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Posted 2008-March-24, 15:15
Too primitive, Frances 
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Posted 2008-March-24, 16:10
FrancesHinden, on Mar 24 2008, 01:06 PM, said:
How about
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
What does a 3♥ call mean for you over 2♦? Most play it as a self supporting suit. I can't imagine this hand wouldn't qualify.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 16:12
Echognome, on Mar 24 2008, 05:10 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Mar 24 2008, 01:06 PM, said:
How about
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
What does a 3♥ call mean for you over 2♦? Most play it as a self supporting suit. I can't imagine this hand wouldn't qualify.
It wouldn't qualify because you can easily belong in a minor suit, and because 3H not only promises a self supporting suit but it demands cuebidding which is not what you want to happe on this hand. People over use this bid on random 2C openers with "solid" suits wayyyy too much.
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Posted 2008-March-24, 16:19
Jlall, on Mar 24 2008, 11:12 PM, said:
Echognome, on Mar 24 2008, 05:10 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Mar 24 2008, 01:06 PM, said:
How about
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
2C (strong)..... 2D (negative)
2H (hearts)......3D (diamonds)
6D
next board
(OK, opener can weeble around a bit first if you like but that's the conceptual auction)
What does a 3♥ call mean for you over 2♦? Most play it as a self supporting suit. I can't imagine this hand wouldn't qualify.
It wouldn't qualify because you can easily belong in a minor suit, and because 3H not only promises a self supporting suit but it demands cuebidding which is not what you want to happe on this hand. People over use this bid on random 2C openers with "solid" suits wayyyy too much.
That's probably because they get such a suit so seldom... Totally agree with Justin.
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