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Poll: What do you bid? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1NT (5 votes [14.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.71%

  3. 2H (24 votes [70.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

  4. 2S (4 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  5. other (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

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Posted 2008-March-21, 19:06

You hold:
Scoring: IMP


The auction starts:
1♥ - (1♠) - ?

What do you bid?
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Posted 2008-March-21, 19:20

I think bidding notrump is simply premature with both minors wide open. So as a matter of evaluation, the spades are good but the shape and Jxx are bad so I'm pretty confident 2♥ is enough. If partner makes any move toward game, even 3♣ for which my holding is bad, I'll bid 3NT next just based on general values.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 19:41

2H, really hate 1N, nothing else is an option to me.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 20:01

Fit, but... I am a hog? Don't see any other reason for suppressing the heart support.

Agree with 2♥WTP.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 20:37

Not strong enough to bid 2S as a limit raise - 10 not very nice points and really disgusting shape.

2♥ it is.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 21:41

I need one decent spade spot (probably the 9 or maybe 8) to bid no trumps in preference to a heart raise,
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Posted 2008-March-22, 01:59

Clear 2♥ - 1NT is disgusting.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 06:11

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Posted 2008-March-22, 06:14

skaeran, on Mar 22 2008, 12:59 AM, said:

1NT is disgusting.

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(I bid 2♥.)
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Posted 2008-March-22, 12:13

skaeran, on Mar 22 2008, 02:59 AM, said:

Clear 2♥ - 1NT is disgusting.

Agree, but the idea of Pass is making me sick too.

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Posted 2008-March-22, 12:16

2H, never 2D.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 22:41

Huh.

How weak could you be to bid 2♥, given a 4333 shape?

I guess I thought it was reasonable to consider this 3 tricks in support of hearts, and therefore worthy of a limit raise. Does the 4333 really hurt this hand that much? Or am I simply overvaluing the hand?
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Posted 2008-March-23, 00:25

jtfanclub, on Mar 22 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

Huh.

How weak could you be to bid 2♥, given a 4333 shape?

I guess I thought it was reasonable to consider this 3 tricks in support of hearts, and therefore worthy of a limit raise. Does the 4333 really hurt this hand that much? Or am I simply overvaluing the hand?

There are two ways to look at it: You have values behind the spade bidder, which probably increases the value of the spades, but you also have values in a suit that partner is more likely to be short in, which are not as valuable. Combine that with a 4-3-3-3 shape and no aces, and I say this is a max 2♥ call when everything's factored in.

Having said that, I would not be upset with a partner who bid 2♠. If there was no interference, I would probably treat this as a 3 card limit raise.
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Posted 2008-March-23, 00:27

CSGibson, on Mar 23 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

If there was no interference, I would probably treat this as a 3 card limit raise.

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Posted 2008-March-23, 02:44

Jlall, on Mar 22 2008, 10:27 PM, said:

CSGibson, on Mar 23 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

If there was no interference, I would probably treat this as a 3 card limit raise.

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Posted 2008-March-23, 12:21

Where I'm coming from is...I'm looking at Fluffy's auction from another thread...

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N/S Vulnerable, dealer West

♠QJ106
♥Q87
♦J109
♣752

W - N - E - S
ps-1♥-2♣-2♥
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and I'm thinking Good Lord, if I can have that kind of controlless 4333 for a raise to 2, we're going to miss game lots of times when partner's got a working 14 count and can't be confident that we'll make 3. I know, fillers are good. I like entries, myself.

Anyhow, different tack. Would you guys bid 2♠ with any of these hands?

A. KQ42 KQ9 J83 T72
B. KJ42 KQ9 JT83 72
C. KJ42 KQ9 J2 T873

Just trying to figure out where the line is...
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Posted 2008-March-23, 12:28

I have no strong opinion between 2♥ or 2♠ on this hand, but I think that some people are pointing out that having values in spades is not something good, on the other hand ♣xxx is not good, but is better than having it in diamonds.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 13:51

3NT fails only on a ♣ lead (which LHO will find), but no other game makes. All of our opponents played 4♥-2, we made 2♥+1 :) Pass and 2♠ are imo poor, but I needed some time to figure out which of 1NT or 2♥ would work out best.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 17:14

1NT, but if I had a constructiv raise to 2H
available it may well be the way to go.

For me a direct raise could be based on
garbage.

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