[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

Uncontested Auction

1♦-1♠-2♥-?

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I'm trying to adjust to responding light, because I believe it to be a big gainer in the long run, but now I need help on my judgement


Partner will reverse with a good 16 all the way to a jump-shift type hand. You play Ingberman if you want to sign off, 4♥ should be a strong indication that you are a minimum game-going hand, and 3♥ should show at least mild slam interest.

Do you just blast to the vul game, or do you use ingberman and see if partner has a really big hand before deciding whether to go? [edit]

[foo]

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Uncontested Auction

1♦-1♠-2♥-?

---

I'm trying to adjust to responding light, because I believe it to be a big gainer in the long run, but now I need help on my judgement


Partner will reverse with a good 16 all the way to a jump-shift type hand.  You play Ingberman if you want to sign off, 4♥ should be a strong indication that you are a minimum game-going hand, and 3♥ should show at least mild slam interest. 

Do you just blast to the vul game, or do you use ingberman and see if partner has a really big hand before deciding whether to go? [edit]

blast to Game with hands that have more distribution for their playing strength.
such as this one.

do something else with hands that get more of their playing strength from hard values.

[han]

I would bid 4H.

[mikeh]

It is useful to have an understanding of the differences between the various raises available in this sequence.

Ingberman (or its cousins) then 3♥ is an attempt to sign off in 3♥. While the hcp suggest weakness, the 5th heart suggests that this is too cowardly an approach... altho, given the description you use for a reverse, maybe not... I think most would require a terrific 16 if opener has only 4 hearts... I'd be 3=4=5=1 with a lot of controls if I held only 16.

3♥ over 2♥ is the slam-interest bid.

4♥ is the 'I think/hope we have game but I have zero interest in slam' call.. and it seems descriptive of this hand.

If partner is prone to reverse with Ax KQxx AQJxx xx, I'd use Ingberman, but, imo, that isn't a reverse. Axx KQxx AQJxx x is... and that would be a minimum and we have a decent play for game.

[kfay]

4♥. np

[nick_s]

This isn't really pertinent to the question, and I'm no expert, but...

Assuming I respond at all, I'd respond 1♥ on this instead of 1♠. The reason being that I'm not planning on making a rebid, and this way we don't lose a 5-4 heart fit if pard isn't strong enough to reverse.

[CSGibson]

mikeh, on Mar 19 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

It is useful to have an understanding of the differences between the various raises available in this sequence.

Ingberman (or its cousins) then 3♥ is an attempt to sign off in 3♥. While the hcp suggest weakness, the 5th heart suggests that this is too cowardly an approach... altho, given the description you use for a reverse, maybe not... I think most would require a terrific 16 if opener has only 4 hearts... I'd be 3=4=5=1 with a lot of controls if I held only 16.

3♥ over 2♥ is the slam-interest bid.

4♥ is the 'I think/hope we have game but I have zero interest in slam' call.. and it seems descriptive of this hand.

If partner is prone to reverse with Ax KQxx AQJxx xx, I'd use Ingberman, but, imo, that isn't a reverse. Axx KQxx AQJxx x is... and that would be a minimum and we have a decent play for game.

I agree with what you are saying. The Ingberman option is more so I can see partner's response - if she bids 3♣, she will deny a reverse hand in the upper range.

[CSGibson]

nick_s, on Mar 19 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

This isn't really pertinent to the question, and I'm no expert, but...

Assuming I respond at all, I'd respond 1♥ on this instead of 1♠. The reason being that I'm not planning on making a rebid, and this way we don't lose a 5-4 heart fit if pard isn't strong enough to reverse.

The reason I chose 1♠ is that, in our system, I will have a NF 2♥ call over 1N, Wolff signoff to 3♥ over 2N, and other tactical options that are similarly flexible.

[mikeh]

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

mikeh, on Mar 19 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

It is useful to have an understanding of the differences between the various raises available in this sequence.

Ingberman (or its cousins) then 3♥ is an attempt to sign off in 3♥. While the hcp suggest weakness, the 5th heart suggests that this is too cowardly an approach... altho, given the description you use for a reverse, maybe not... I think most would require a terrific 16 if opener has only 4 hearts... I'd be 3=4=5=1 with a lot of controls if I held only 16.

3♥ over 2♥ is the slam-interest bid.

4♥ is the 'I think/hope we have game but I have zero interest in slam' call.. and it seems descriptive of this hand.

If partner is prone to reverse with Ax KQxx AQJxx xx, I'd use Ingberman, but, imo, that isn't a reverse. Axx KQxx AQJxx x is... and that would be a minimum and we have a decent play for game.

I agree with what you are saying. The Ingberman option is more so I can see partner's response - if she bids 3♣, she will deny a reverse hand in the upper range.

I don't think that this is true: my approach, and I think it to be common, is that I will rebid 3♥ over Ingberman whenever I am 5=6 in the reds, and have decided to reverse: 3♥ shows the 5th heart, not extra hcp... of course, that is moot here, since I am absolutely bidding game opposite a decent 5=6 in the reds... heck, even x=Axxxx Axxxxx x gives me a play for game

[CSGibson]

mikeh, on Mar 19 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

mikeh, on Mar 19 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

It is useful to have an understanding of the differences between the various raises available in this sequence.

Ingberman (or its cousins) then 3♥ is an attempt to sign off in 3♥. While the hcp suggest weakness, the 5th heart suggests that this is too cowardly an approach... altho, given the description you use for a reverse, maybe not... I think most would require a terrific 16 if opener has only 4 hearts... I'd be 3=4=5=1 with a lot of controls if I held only 16.

3♥ over 2♥ is the slam-interest bid.

4♥ is the 'I think/hope we have game but I have zero interest in slam' call.. and it seems descriptive of this hand.

If partner is prone to reverse with Ax KQxx AQJxx xx, I'd use Ingberman, but, imo, that isn't a reverse. Axx KQxx AQJxx x is... and that would be a minimum and we have a decent play for game.

I agree with what you are saying. The Ingberman option is more so I can see partner's response - if she bids 3♣, she will deny a reverse hand in the upper range.

I don't think that this is true: my approach, and I think it to be common, is that I will rebid 3♥ over Ingberman whenever I am 5=6 in the reds, and have decided to reverse: 3♥ shows the 5th heart, not extra hcp... of course, that is moot here, since I am absolutely bidding game opposite a decent 5=6 in the reds... heck, even x=Axxxx Axxxxx x gives me a play for game

You are right, of course. A more exact description of what I was trying to say would have been that a 3♣ bid shows a minimumish in terms of playing strength for the reverse.

[MFA]

4♥. See no reason to goof around.

Never heard the word "ingberman" before. If you have some magic gadget, please enlighten me. Not all convention names are used globally.

[CSGibson]

MFA, on Mar 19 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

4♥. See no reason to goof around.

Never heard the word "ingberman" before. If you have some magic gadget, please enlighten me. Not all convention names are used globally.

See this forum topic for Ingberman thoughts:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=18177

[rogerclee]

What do people play the difference between relay->4♥ and 4♥ as?

[MFA]

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

MFA, on Mar 19 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

4♥. See no reason to goof around.

Never heard the word "ingberman" before. If you have some magic gadget, please enlighten me. Not all convention names are used globally.

See this forum topic for Ingberman thoughts:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=18177

Thank you.

[gnasher]

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 08:15 PM, said:

See this forum topic for Ingberman thoughts:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=18177

I suppose that's a little more snappy than "the lower of fourth suit and 2NT is Lebensohl", which is what I've always called this method.

[rbforster]

CSGibson, on Mar 19 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

Partner will reverse with a good 16 all the way to a jump-shift type hand. 

But does he always promise 4♥? I'm sure after I bid 4♥ I discover partner's make some genius fake reverse on

Kx
AQ
AQJTxxx
Qx

or something similar and we've failed to stop in 3♦ when games are hopeless.

[han]

Good luck stopping in 3♦ Rob.

[dake50]

What's your 'help me I've fallen and can't get up' response after light responses? Use that.