What is this 4[sp]?
#3
Posted 2008-March-19, 06:36
Jlall, on Mar 19 2008, 05:31 AM, said:
yep, only possibility
#4
Posted 2008-March-19, 07:03
#5
Posted 2008-March-19, 07:10
FrancesHinden, on Mar 19 2008, 10:03 PM, said:
You may think about it as a void splinter?
I think Harlad f.e use to differ between single and void splinters, but I don`t know if he does so in this sequence.
But anyway if it was not explicit forbidden, this is Exclusion KCB.
Roland
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#7
Posted 2008-March-19, 08:01
If for some reason I knew that neither of these things was possible (either by agreement that we specifically do not play Exclusion or I know my partner has never heard of it), I would assume it is some sort of botched splinter.
#8
Posted 2008-March-19, 08:40
#9
Posted 2008-March-19, 09:05
#10
Posted 2008-March-19, 09:10
Codo, on Mar 19 2008, 02:10 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Mar 19 2008, 10:03 PM, said:
You may think about it as a void splinter?
I think Harlad f.e use to differ between single and void splinters, but I don`t know if he does so in this sequence.
But anyway if it was not explicit forbidden, this is Exclusion KCB.
3♠ would be a void splinter for me here, a jump to 3♥ would strongly suggest a spade singleton GI (1♦ is unbalanced unless 5332 18-19 for me). 4♠ is Exclusion BW - there's no other possible meaning.
Harald
#11
Posted 2008-March-19, 09:17
#12
Posted 2008-March-19, 10:23
May I ask what you will make out of this auction instead?
1♦ - 1♥
3♠ - 4♥
4♠?
What is the difference between this one and the previously posted one?
Another one:
1♦ - 1♥
5♣?
Again EKCB by analogy?
#13
Posted 2008-March-19, 10:58
An ideal structure, however, would IMO allow a multi-way Exclusion/Asking scheme. To explain:
1minor-P-1♥-P-?
4♠ = 6KCB or RKCB but show my minor King and Queen instead of heart K/Q
4NT = RKCB
Splinter...4♠ = Exclusion
Splinter...4NT = RKCB, but I hoped to answer -- show the Ace in my void suit anyway.
Something like that.
You'd have to discuss, obviously.
-P.J. Painter.
#14
Posted 2008-March-19, 11:05
twcho, on Mar 19 2008, 11:23 AM, said:
May I ask what you will make out of this auction instead?
1♦ - 1♥
3♠ - 4♥
4♠?
What is the difference between this one and the previously posted one?
Another one:
1♦ - 1♥
5♣?
Again EKCB by analogy?
If 4♠ over 1♥ is exclusion, then the slow route to 4♠ confirms a void (or, very rarely, a stiff Ace.. rarely because responder will assume a void and evaluate accordingly) and obliges responder to cue bid.
It cannot logically be exclusion: opener has learned NOTHING over the splinter other than that responder isn't interested. Opener cannot have a hand that wants to use exclusion now and not one round earlier.
#15
Posted 2008-March-19, 11:05
twcho, on Mar 19 2008, 11:23 AM, said:
May I ask what you will make out of this auction instead?
1♦ - 1♥
3♠ - 4♥
4♠?
What is the difference between this one and the previously posted one?
Another one:
1♦ - 1♥
5♣?
Again EKCB by analogy?
First auction - splinter then cuebid, very strong hand with a void but not appropriate for exclusion.
Second auction - should be exclusion to me, but I think it's suicide to make this bid undiscussed. I have been passed in the very same auction in a 4-0 fit, after I thought? we had discussed it.
#16
Posted 2008-March-19, 14:01
We play 4NT as exclusion RKC with a spade void.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#17
Posted 2008-March-19, 15:20
I don't disagree with the suggestions that 1♦-1♥-4♠ should be exclusion RKCB (or kickback if it has been agreed that 4NT is exclusion), but I would like to see a hand that fits the bid.
#18 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-March-19, 15:22
ArtK78, on Mar 19 2008, 04:20 PM, said:
I don't disagree with the suggestions that 1♦-1♥-4♠ should be exclusion RKCB (or kickback if it has been agreed that 4NT is exclusion), but I would like to see a hand that fits the bid.
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#19
Posted 2008-March-19, 16:00
ArtK78, on Mar 19 2008, 04:20 PM, said:
I don't disagree with the suggestions that 1♦-1♥-4♠ should be exclusion RKCB (or kickback if it has been agreed that 4NT is exclusion), but I would like to see a hand that fits the bid.
This question brings to mind a hand I played on BBO a few years ago. I was playing for the first time with Farfie (Ritong's better half), and our only discussion was 'standard count and attitude'.. which, as you will see, didn't help much.
I picked up AKQx A10xx AKQ Jx and saw her open, in first seat, 1♣.
While starting to worry about how the auction wwould develop, I chose a fairly normal 1♥. Her next bid was 5N!
She had her bid.. and she didn't have anything close to a 2♣ opening bid.
#20
Posted 2008-March-19, 16:15

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