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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:37

IMPs, Red vs White, 1st Seat

You're playing in a home game with reasonable opponents and partner and pick up:

♠KQxx ♥KQJT987 ♦xx ♣void

1♥-(4♣)-4♥-(5♣)
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Your call?
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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:43

5H, I plan on passing throughout after this.
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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:43

5H. I have a void and a super 6-card heart suit, that's enough for me to bid one more.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:44

han, on Mar 21 2008, 12:43 AM, said:

5H. I have a void and a super 6-card heart suit, that's enough for me to bid one more.

so super that its actually 7!
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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:44

5♥ seems normal enough.

On this hand, I might well have used Hrothgar's Burgess rule, and opened 4♥.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-20, 23:44

han, on Mar 20 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

5H. I have a void and a super 6-card heart suit, that's enough for me to bid one more.

The heart suit is so good, some might even upgrade it to a 7-bagger.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 00:29

5♥ on my terrible 8 card suit.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 02:54

Agree with Hrothgar's 7-4 open at game rule on this hand. Agree with 5H here. Why do I have a feeling partner has a flat 13 count over there and they're getting murdered in 5C with 5H 1 off?
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Posted 2008-March-21, 05:11

open 4♥ on the worst 9 carder EVAR. Now 5♥ :)
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Posted 2008-March-21, 06:25

It might of course turn out wrong, but I can't imagine doing anything but bid 5♥ here.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 06:30

Okay. My partner bid 6♥, and in the post-mortem, the four of us talked about the decision. I seemed to be the only person who felt 5♥ was better than 6♥, and I'm glad to know I am not crazy.

The complete hand:

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Posted 2008-March-21, 06:59

6♥! That's a bid I'd not even consider.....
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Posted 2008-March-21, 10:33

skaeran, on Mar 21 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

6♥! That's a bid I'd not even consider.....

How can you not with a 10 card suit?!?
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Posted 2008-March-21, 10:46

Partner's bidding was off the planet. Whatever 4H shows there, he doesn't have it.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 11:00

5♥. Good hand to bid 5/5 on.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 12:43

mr1303, on Mar 21 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

Partner's bidding was off the planet. Whatever 4H shows there, he doesn't have it.

I agree with 4♥.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-21, 14:23

han, on Mar 22 2008, 07:43 AM, said:

mr1303, on Mar 21 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

Partner's bidding was off the planet. Whatever 4H shows there, he doesn't have it.

I agree with 4♥.

Yes 4♥ seems normal.

6♥ is a stretch but I think it is worth some consideration. The opponents are likely to have good clubs which increases the chances that partner has a couple of useful aces.

The problem with 6♥ is that we want partner to stretch to 4♥ on many hands with a decent heart fit and we need even more than a couple of aces - and even that is not certain.

However if we can bid 5♥ and partner does have a decent hand including good controls and partner can imagine our club void then there is a decent chance that he can bid 6♥ when it is right.
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Posted 2008-March-21, 15:20

Hmm, I thought it was a 2C overcall, not a 4C overcall. In which case I retract my statement.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 10:29

han, on Mar 21 2008, 12:43 AM, said:

5H. I have a void and a super 6-card heart suit, that's enough for me to bid one more.

Maybe Han meant "super-6" (as opposed to sub-6 or exactly 6). :)
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Posted 2008-March-22, 11:30

jdonn, on Mar 21 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

skaeran, on Mar 21 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

6♥! That's a bid I'd not even consider.....

How can you not with a 10 card suit?!?

Well, if I had 12 of them I'd probably bid 6♥.
Then again, I should probably call for the director, since we'd be playing with a defect deck.....
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