[shanbari]

Scoring: IMP


General 2/1 style, 15-17 nt range, better minor opening.


1C – 1D
1N – 2D* (gf)
2H – 3C
3N - ??

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we play 2 way checkback. opener rebid 1n = 12-14. 2d is checkback gameforcing.
2H is natural 4 card. you as south had pretty good hand, you want to try slam ? how if you do so.

[SchTsch]

4♦

I pass 4NT, bid 5♦ on 4♥ to show problem in spades and try the grand if i get spade cue and not heart cue.

[whereagles]

Pass. Pard has fillers in the majors, which is exactly where I don't need them.

[mikeh]

This is an ugly situation. Partner could be 4=4=2=3, which really leaves us with no safety anywhere, let alone slam.

AKQx xxxx Qx QJx is a 14 count on which we make a grand

KQxx KQxx xx Qxxis a 12 count on which we may not make game.

J10xx AKxx Qx QJx 3N

And so on.

I think the decision has to be based on trusting partner. We did not jump to 3N over 1N. We did the two-step gf, showing both minors and interest in some contract other than 3N and he said no.

So I pass, but I do so recognizing that this may well be a bad result.

edit: the opps are silent, which also argues for 3N.. neither bid 1♥ (or 1♠) when doing so was cheap

[Codo]

I play imps so I don't belive that 5 in a minor is worse then 3 NT.
Yes there are hands where 3 NT is making and 5 m is not, but I will take the (small) risk and move on to make one more step towards slam.

I don't know your methods above 3 NT, but I would try 4 ♦.

[mike777]

shanbari, on Mar 17 2008, 09:28 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP


General 2/1 style, 15-17 nt range, better minor opening.


1C – 1D
1N – 2D* (gf)
2H – 3C
3N - ??

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we play 2 way checkback. opener rebid 1n = 12-14. 2d is checkback gameforcing.
2H is natural 4 card. you as south had pretty good hand, you want to try slam ? how if you do so.

1) Looks like an easy pass now. Partner knows we do not have the majors and we already bid our minors.

2) btw as a side note I also play 2 way checkback but here over 1c=1d=1nt......two clubs is game force checkback and denies a 4 card major. Two diamonds is a simple minimum rebid. That means with an invite hand and 4 card major and longer D I bid the major first, no need for invite checkback on this auction. .

With a game force hand, 4 card major and longer D, I start with one D and rebid the major, naturally, game force.

[han]

Mikeh's first hand is not possible imo because partner would bid 2S instead of 2H.

I agree with passing now.

[han]

mike777, on Mar 17 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

2) btw as a side note I also play 2 way checkback but here over 1c=1d=1nt......two clubs is game force checkback and denies a 4 card major. Two diamonds is a simple minimum rebid. That means with an invite hand and 4 card major and longer D I bid the major first, no need for invite checkback on this auction. .

With a game force hand, 4 card major and longer D, I start with one D and rebid the major, naturally, game force.

So you gain 1 step over the artificial GF, anything else? You lose many many possible auctions.

[mike777]

It appears that in the OP, 2d may include a 4 card major, it is unclear to me. We are told 2H is natural 4 card suit, rather than just promising a heart stopper and denying a spade stopper(no 2nt rebid). I am not sure how much if any of a spade stopper OP is showing with 3nt over 3clubs. If OP is comfortable with their follow ups on this auction no problem, I only suggest this as a side note if not:

"2C....Game forcing Checkback...(used for forcing hand when responder has no 4 card major and isn't certain about 3NT)
Opener should rebid 3C with 5 clubs, and rebid 3D with 4 diamonds. With both majors well stopped, opener rebids NT,
When he can't make any of those bids, he should bid the major where he has the most strength....Remember, the 2C
bid is NOT looking for a 4-4 major fit.

2D.......to play
2H.......4 Hearts, game forcing.....
2S.......4 Spades, game forcing...
2NT.....invitational
3C......invitational
3D......invitational

You can't sign off in clubs....if you had 5 card club support, no 4 card major, and a weak hand, you should have bid 3C the first time..."

If OP feels his style is better no problem, I make no claims this is somehow better in theory.