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What do you open with?

Poll: What do you open with? (42 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you open with?

  1. Pass (28 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. 1C (9 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  3. 3C (5 votes [11.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.90%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-March-16, 04:14

IMPs, All White, First Seat

♠Tx ♥Qxx ♦Ax ♣KJTxxx

Assume you are playing with a partner who requests you open and preempt "normally."

System is 2/1.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 04:22

I don't open. Everything else is worse. This is a very minimum intermediate 2 in clubs, but not 1♣ or 3♣. At least, not normally
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:07

Pass. In my usual system not of course, but in 2/1 I pass.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:08

Happy to pass

Way too weak for 1♣
Too much defense for a preempt
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:32

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:45

Pass. Not tempted to open 1 with a 6322 10 count.

3C just randomizes.

Doesnt a later overcall describe this hand better?
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:55

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.

Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 06:12

Pass for me.

If the hand was just a tiny bit better I would open 1♣, and indeed I don't hate a 1♣ opening as it is.
I do dislike a 3♣ opening, though: NV, balanced hand, a lot of defense, Qxx in a major...
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 07:40

Pass. But if it was MPs probably 1C :)
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Posted 2008-March-16, 07:51

I'm surprised anyone is even discussing 3♣. Wasn't that intended as the "monkey" option?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-16, 07:58

1C

But it is a mood thing between Pass and 1C.
The good thing is, I dont have a rebid problem
and the suit quality is ok, the bad thing is, it is
subminimum.

I wont open 3C.

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Posted 2008-March-16, 08:54

3C always. Randomize this hand with partner knowing I have 6+C. Big advantage.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 09:07

rogerclee, on Mar 16 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.

Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning.

I don't understand why you're surprised

I consider both of the bidding "problems" that you posted trivial...
I'd be shocked to see any serious debate regarding the right bid.
Alderaan delenda est
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Posted 2008-March-16, 09:49

hrothgar, on Mar 16 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 16 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.

Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning.

I don't understand why you're surprised

It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise...
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Posted 2008-March-16, 10:09

TimG, on Mar 16 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Mar 16 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 16 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.

Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning.

I don't understand why you're surprised

It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise...

I guess the main difference is that I didn't consider the original post particularly insulting. My original reaction reading the posts was "Why are you bothering to post this"? The

♠Qxxxx
♥QJTxxx
♦x
♣x

hand struck me as almost ridiculous...

I don't find it shocking that someone would point this out...
Alderaan delenda est
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Posted 2008-March-16, 10:36

I think it is a good thing to throw some rope to people who take the trouble to post problems.

I voted for pass, and as a problem in a vacuum it may or may not be clear.

In real life I wouldn't worry if partner chose to open 1C or even the universally reviled 3C.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 10:54

Clear pass, keep posting the easy ones pls. :)
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-16, 11:14

I voted 1♣ but that's because I'm in a bad mood this morning.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 15:41

brianshark, on Mar 17 2008, 02:14 AM, said:

I voted 1♣ but that's because I'm in a bad mood this morning.

So horrible things happen when you are in a bad mood? You make me shiver....
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Posted 2008-March-16, 18:10

hrothgar, on Mar 16 2008, 09:09 AM, said:

TimG, on Mar 16 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Mar 16 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 16 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass.

Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning.

I don't understand why you're surprised

It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise...

I guess the main difference is that I didn't consider the original post particularly insulting. My original reaction reading the posts was "Why are you bothering to post this"? The

♠Qxxxx
♥QJTxxx
♦x
♣x

hand struck me as almost ridiculous...

I don't find it shocking that someone would point this out...

Okay, maybe this needs some clarification.

1) I talked to the Hog. We agree it was not an insult.
2) If you think this is a WTP, that's fine. There is a substantially nonzero number of people who voted 1♣. I agree that 3♣ is a bad bid and would personally rank them Pass > 1♣ > 3♣, but not with as much difference as you seem to think. As with all preempts, there are many ways where 3♣ can gain or lose.
3) The other hand I agree should probably not have been posted. I at least posted it in B/I. I was not actually curious about the answer. There is a boring story, and let's say that that debate has been settled. If the worst thing I ever do is create a unanimous poll in the B/I forum about something obvious, I will be fine with that.

Also I observed that nobody has commented that if you play Drury, you will have to bid 1NT after partner's third seat 1M. Not that I think this is a big deal, but the small stuff matters a little.
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