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Poll: is 3S gf? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

is 3S gf?

  1. definitely GF (16 votes [44.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  2. definitely NF (17 votes [47.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.22%

  3. I don't care (3 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-March-15, 05:21

1♠-1NT
2♥-2NT
3♠
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Posted 2008-March-15, 05:26

I think this has to be forcing, too bad if opener has a minimum but it is more important to be able to bid the better hands. Maybe it would make sense to play some kind of Woolf here.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 05:40

this sould be nonforcing because both could not force (1NT and 2♥) but since both show a hand that sees chances for game (2NT and 3♠ instead of 2♠on the previous round) it should not be passed
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Posted 2008-March-15, 07:08

Forcing for me - showing a good hand 6-4 in the majors.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 09:23

Partner's rejecting simple preference after 2H established GF already.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 09:28

I'm sure that "old-fashioned" standard says to rebid 2♠ with a 6-4 minimum, and thus this sequence would be forcing.

However, nowadays I think most people rebid 2♥ with almost all 6♠-4♥ opening bids, in order to find a possible heart fit. In this style, it makes sense to play 3♠ as non-forcing. There are many ways to force game in this auction, for example three of either minor would seem to be a game force (so could bid longer minor with 64xx) and opener can always bid 4♠ with partner's hand reasonably well described.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 09:29

No, 2N was not forcing.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 11:09

NF, invitational 6-4(5)
Hasn't opener limited their hand with 2♥?
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Posted 2008-March-15, 11:16

jillybean2, on Mar 15 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

NF, invitational 6-4(5)
Hasn't opener limited their hand with 2♥?

a simple rebid shows somewhere between 11 and 18 hcp.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 11:32

In order to make this NF you would have to have 3 of a minor be artificial. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. Forcing is much more playable and what I think should be assumed. After all if you are very minimum and your spades are so good that you're sure you can play there opposite a singleton, those are the hands that would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 11:46

Helene said it all in her first post.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-15, 16:59

It is clearly better to play 3C as a relay imo, and I do in a couple of partnerships, but barring that 3S is forcing
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Posted 2008-March-15, 17:16

jdonn, on Mar 15 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

quote jdon: if you are very minimum... would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.

3S is forcing because of what jdon said.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 17:43

bobbywjch, on Mar 15 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 15 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

quote jdon: if you are very minimum... would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.

3S is forcing because of what jdon said.

I like the support, but it's because of what I actually said. The part where you put ... is important! It's like the movie reviews that are quoted as "....action-packed joy ride..." when the full review was "This movie makes me want to take an action-packed joy ride to the bathroom and vomit."
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Posted 2008-March-15, 17:59

gwnn, on Mar 15 2008, 04:21 AM, said:

1♠-1NT
2♥-2NT
3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?
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Posted 2008-March-15, 22:36

jillybean2, on Mar 16 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

gwnn, on Mar 15 2008, 04:21 AM, said:

1♠-1NT
2♥-2NT
3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

That is a very good question.

My normal agreement is that 3Major over 2NT is forcing and 3minor is non-forcing.

Here if 1NT is standard non-forcing then there is a strong case for 3♠ to be non-forcing.

If 1NT is forcing and hence 2NT invitational then I think 3♠ needs to be forcing.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 22:37

If 1NT is 6-9 NF, what is 2NT?

Elianna and I play it as 5-5 or more in the minors, but I'd be surprised if this was standard.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 22:43

Cascade, on Mar 15 2008, 09:36 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Mar 16 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

gwnn, on Mar 15 2008, 04:21 AM, said:

1♠-1NT
2♥-2NT
3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

That is a very good question.

My normal agreement is that 3Major over 2NT is forcing and 3minor is non-forcing.

Here if 1NT is standard non-forcing then there is a strong case for 3♠ to be non-forcing.

If 1NT is forcing and hence 2NT invitational then I think 3♠ needs to be forcing.

I was getting to that :)
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2008-March-16, 04:06

jillybean2, on Mar 16 2008, 01:59 AM, said:

gwnn, on Mar 15 2008, 04:21 AM, said:

1♠-1NT
2♥-2NT
3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

It was forcing - I'm pretty sure that a 6-9 hcp hand can't rebid 2NT here.
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Posted 2008-March-16, 05:58

U hold AKxxxx Kxxx xx x. 1S - 1N - ?

3S is NF. I can pattern with a stronger hand and get a doubleton preference.
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