[han]

Justin, you missed out on a great vugraph show tonight, I collected some commentator quotes:

Board 18:

That's quite a vulnerable 3C bid over 2C by Justin Lall, ah callous youth.


(yes, callous)

Board 21:

Landen's double at IMPs seems to aggressive. Maybe he was influenced from prior bidding he's seen from Justin.


Board 23:

Basically he [Landen] played declarer [Justin] for KJ10xxx and out (or maybe seven spades and out).
That seems wrong.
But again may have been influenced by prior actions.

Board 25:

this is a very unfortunate spot and a great lead
[Justin led the unbid suit with K972]

Board 26, after Justin opens a 14-16 1NT on xx 109 AKQ A1098xx

this hand illustrates why a lot of top pairs have given up NT defenses that start with an artifical double. People "upgrade" thirteen counts frequently.

Board 27:

So this will be six imps unless he makes a really strange play of the queen of spades now.

Board 28:

this made at the other table. seems like it's pretty easy to beat, but ....

not sure where he found the 4♠ call but he bought a fantastic hand

Board 31:

Kevin has a poker face, but when Landen played the diamond, he looked about as unhappy as I've ever seen him . Now studying to see if there's any chance.

Board 32:

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!!!!

[Rossoneri]

The board 21 one cracked me up when I saw it.

But nonetheless, wd to Justin

[PassedOut]

Exciting comeback and another great win! A lot of fun to watch -- thanks for the opportunity.

[inquiry]

I am surprized you left this one out...

on board 21...

JanM: Justin just took the 4!d card out of his bidding box and looked at the back to see what the score would be if they made it

(good observation Jan, that stuff is great)

another commentor...

hehe... a psychological ploy perhaps as he should already know it

Yup.. you betcha....

[han]

Yeah that was fun, always fun actually to hear what's happening at the site.

[the hog]

Isn't this using a "mechanical aid" and thus against the laws ....seriously.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Mar 13 2008, 12:50 AM, said:

Isn't this using a "mechanical aid" and thus against the laws ....seriously.

The use of vugraph devices in the context of that rule has already been discussed on the forums recently, Mr. Buzzkill.

[Mr. Dodgy]

jdonn, i think hog's comments was referring to

Quote

JanM: Justin just took the 4!d card out of his bidding box and looked at the back to see what the score would be if they made it

btw the quote han attributed to board 18 was actually board 20, and ditto 28 should be 29?

[the hog]

Mr. Dodgy, on Mar 13 2008, 01:32 PM, said:

jdonn, i think hog's comments was referring to

Quote

JanM: Justin just took the 4!d card out of his bidding box and looked at the back to see what the score would be if they made it

btw the quote han attributed to board 18 was actually board 20, and ditto 28 should be 29?

Yes I was actually. Sorry if you took offence, it was a serious question. Good win btw.

[effervesce]

Are you really allowed to go look at the score on the 4D card? Doesn't that potentially convey information to your partner about the contract making/not making? For the same reason I thought it was illegal as dummy to read the opponent's convention card, as that might suggest to declarer to also look at it.

[Gerben42]

Is there any junior who doesn't know what 4♦x scores? Thanks for not losing, Justin. I was away (playing bridge) last night, so now I can at least watch the NEXT one.

[TimG]

The_Hog, on Mar 13 2008, 12:50 AM, said:

Isn't this using a "mechanical aid" and thus against the laws ....seriously.

Back in the days before bidding boxes, it was common for the scoring table to be printed on the back side of the table cards (maybe it still is). An opponent was considering some 6-level action and asked if he could check the scoring table to see how much some slam making was. We called the director and the director told him the score! I wonder if that was a "mechanical aid"?

[gwnn]

TimG, on Mar 13 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 13 2008, 12:50 AM, said:

Isn't this using a "mechanical aid" and thus against the laws ....seriously.

Back in the days before bidding boxes, it was common for the scoring table to be printed on the back side of the table cards (maybe it still is). An opponent was considering some 6-level action and asked if he could check the scoring table to see how much some slam making was. We called the director and the director told him the score! I wonder if that was a "mechanical aid"?

I think that's a biological aid

[y66]

Good stuff! More please.

[inquiry]

effervesce, on Mar 13 2008, 07:02 AM, said:

Are you really allowed to go look at the score on the 4D card? Doesn't that potentially convey information to your partner about the contract making/not making? For the same reason I thought it was illegal as dummy to read the opponent's convention card, as that might suggest to declarer to also look at it.

Justin could have been looking to see what the score of 4♦X down one would be... so his partner couldn't know if he was looking up down one or two, or making.... (yes, he knows the score of down one or two doubled also).

The full description of this hand was.

Scoring: IMP


North       East       South       West
Pratap     Jlall       Landen     kmb24
1♠       DBLE       2(he)

---

yyyyy: 2!h = constructive raise to 2!s

The auction continued quickly...


North       East       South       West
Pratap     Jlall       Landen     kmb24
1♠       DBLE       2(he)     3♦
3♥       4♦

Then a long pause, as you can tell by the following comments
yyyyy: much depends on much Landen can read into the 3!h call

yyyyy: double would probably be more balanced by Pratap

yyyyy: heart length argues for bidding but diamonds argues for defending

zzz: I can't believe he's thinking about bidding 4hV

ugraph7: Landen thinking, looks at his hand (he had it folded up) and thinks some more

xxxxxx: Many norths wouldn't have bothered with a 3h bid and just bounced to game

zzz: he must be thinking about doubling

Followed eventually by landen doubling 4♦ and all pass....

zzz: although this makes, doesn't it?

xxxxxx: this looks like a maker

yyyyy: even with the ace of diamonds in the right place everything lies wonderfully

Pratap starts the club King catching 3/Jack... i guess he has to consider if ♣J is honest or from ♣JT

Vugraph7: Pratap leaning back and closing his eyes and thinking

xxxxx: even with a trump switch.. declarer will play the ace and then just go about his business just made

zzz: landen's double at imps seems too aggressive. Maybe he was influenced by prior bidding he's seem from Justin

yyyyy: 300 doesn't seem likely so the risk/reward isn't very good

About here, Pratap does switch to a club, and kevin takes his time before playing from dummy

zzz: seems like he should just go up and cross ruff, taking a heart finesse along the way

yyyyy: seems straightforward

zzz: if he ducks, he can return a diamond sacrificing a trump trick, but then lall just let's pratap get his high club with the lucky fall of the 10

->zzz: lall is the dummy

zzz: sorry, I mean bathurst

Low diamond is played from dummy

zzz: ok, that surprised all of us

Landen wins the ♦Queen and switches to the ♠Q. Hand is almost double dummy now. Norht has five spades, 3 hearts, one diamond, so 4♣. North has ♠A(J/x)xxx(x) ♥Kxx ♦x ♣AKxx, south ♠Q(J/x)x ♥xxxxx ♦KQx ♣xx
. The heart king could be with Landen I guess, but the heart hook will answer that shortly

xxxxx: oh no... now it is going down

zzz: he can still make it but he has to get the timing exactly right and I don't think he will

Scoring: IMP


North       East       South       West
Pratap     Jlall       Landen     kmb24
1♠       DBLE       2(he)

---

xxxxx: no.. he will get the en passant in the end

zzz: I don't think so, he will get overruffed in spades since he is in his hand now and landen can pitch a spade here

zzz: lots of speculation going on here

yyyyy: he can still do it but Landen should definitely pitch a spade to make it harder

xxxxxx: he'll make it

Vugraph7: Landen put his hand down on the table and is thinking

Justin characterizes this as a five minute huddle.. that was an undid... sure seemed longer to me. Hand is so double dummy here that even dummy knows every card... seeing only his own hand...

yyyyy: "why did I double 4!d?

Vugraph7: Fiddling with the spades, maybe deciding which one to pitch

xxxxx: perhaps exercising his apology speech to pd

Vugraph7: Justin just took the 4!d card out of his bidding box and looked at the back to see what the score would be if they made it

xxxxx: hehe... a psychological ploy perhaps as he should already know it

More delay, but eventually kevin says

Vugraph7: Now Kevin says "I'm not claiming but I'll show you my hand"
joest: what does that mean?

Vugraph7: And Justin says "what does deep finesse say?" Pratap: Deep finesse says 510

Justin not the only one knowing it making, as landen's pause was trying to figure out how to create something in hopeless situation, and Pratap knows it is making, see his 510 comment

Vugraph7: Landen shook his head a bit but all of them are back at this board now

not another card is played...

[han]

New one from today:

Ah the exuberance of youth

Go Justin, only 23 IMPs left!