[whereagles]

Hi. If someone could help me with a simple thing, I'd appreciate.

I'm devising a system where the 1♣ opener is either natural or a strong hand. I'd like to know the odds of 1♣ being strong in the following circumstances:

A. 1♣ = ...
a1. natural, 11-20
a2. any balanced 12-14
a3. strong, 18+ if 1-suited (6 cards), 20+ if balanced (5M possible), 21+ if 2/3 suited (54 or 4441)

B. 1♣ = ...
b1. natural, 11-20
b2. strong, 18+ if 1-suited (6 cards), 20+ if balanced (5M possible), 21+ if 2/3 suited (54 or 4441)

C. 1♣ = ...
c1. natural, 11-20 (cannot be balanced 18-19)
c2. any balanced 12-14
c3. strong, 21+ if 1-suited (6 cards), 20+ if balanced (5M possible), 21+ if 2/3 suited (54 or 4441)

D. 1♣ = ...
d1. natural, 11-20 (cannot be balanced 18-19)
d2. strong, 21+ if 1-suited (6 cards), 20+ if balanced (5M possible), 21+ if 2/3 suited (54 or 4441)

Difference between A/B and C/D is the strong variant being stronger in C/D and 18-19 bal not possibe.

Thx in advance.

[hrothgar]

Hey there

Get a copy of Hans van Stavern's dealer.

It's very powerful and quite intuitive...

From the sounds of things your in the very early stages of a long project. Best to bite the bullet now.

[whereagles]

Ok I got it. Does it run under linux? Can't seem to get it to work there

[hrothgar]

whereagles, on Mar 10 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

Ok I got it. Does it run under linux? Can't seem to get it to work there

Dealer was originally written for UNIX and runs fine under Linux

[helene_t]

You can also try "deal". I managed to modify the makefile so that it works under Ubuntu, it is described here:
http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...=20128&hl=linux

[whereagles]

Allright. I've manage to get Han's program to work under windows. But the only thing it does is to generate hands. It doesn't do the statistics I wanted.

Is this a bug, a feature or should I just RTFM?

[TimG]

whereagles, on Mar 10 2008, 01:29 PM, said:

Allright. I've manage to get Han's program to work under windows. But the only thing it does is to generate hands. It doesn't do the statistics I wanted.

Is this a bug, a feature or should I just RTFM?

It will do the statistics you want. And, as I recall, it doesn't take much reading to figure out how to instruct it to do so.

[whereagles]

We talking about the same thing? I got it here: www.xs4all.nl/~sater/

[hrothgar]

whereagles, on Mar 10 2008, 09:29 PM, said:

Allright. I've manage to get Han's program to work under windows. But the only thing it does is to generate hands. It doesn't do the statistics I wanted.

Is this a bug, a feature or should I just RTFM?

RTFM

I can be a malicious SOB, but I'm not the sort who would go out of my way to recommend a software package thats not suitable for you requirements

Take a look at the descr.6c example....

This should give you enough information to use the average function.

[TimG]

Yes, we're talking about the same thing. It's been a while since I've used dealer, but you need to do something like this:

1c_natural=[insert conditions]
1c_strong=[insert conditions]
1c_open=1c_natural || 1c_strong

condition 1c_open
produce x [where x equals number of matching deals]

average "1C is strong" (1c_strong) [1c_strong should be "1" when the condition is met]

[whereagles]

boy, you guys are cryptic.. lol

Finally, it turned out that Hans has 2 dealers: BIGDEAL and DEALER. Bigdeal is windows and meant for tournament hand generation, while dealer is linux based and for bidding practice. What I downloaded was bigdeal, which, of course, doesn't do statistics. Got dealer now and gonna check it out.

[cherdano]

whereagles, on Mar 10 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

Ok I got it. Does it run under linux? Can't seem to get it to work there

Thomas Andrews' "Deal" is easy to get working under linux, and can do really anything you want (f you are willing to learn the syntax).

[han]

Hans is not the same as Han btw.

[TimG]

whereagles, on Mar 10 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

boy, you guys are cryptic.. lol

Finally, it turned out that Hans has 2 dealers: BIGDEAL and DEALER. Bigdeal is windows and meant for tournament hand generation, while dealer is linux based and for bidding practice. What I downloaded was bigdeal, which, of course, doesn't do statistics. Got dealer now and gonna check it out.

I went looking today and could not find a download site. Can you point to a specific directory?

[whereagles]

TimG, on Mar 11 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

I went looking today and could not find a download site. Can you point to a specific directory?

BIGDEAL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~sater/
DEALER: http://www.xs4all.nl...ody_dealer.html

[TimG]

Thanks, I don't know why google wouldn't send me to that page.

Is anyone using dealer, XP and bridge.exe (GIB's double dummy solver) together? I've used dealer and GIB together in the (distant) past, but can't seem to get them working together today. I seem to recall there were a couple of tricks to get things to work, but apparently can't remember what the tricks actually were.

EDIT: I have updated cygwin. The error message I get is "Can't open GIB." Is it possible that bridge.exe (GIB) does not run on XP?

[Cascade]

Yes I have these working.

I think the problem is that bridge.exe might have been upgraded and the upgraded version does not work with dealer. This is some vague recollection of having problems with this several years ago.

[hotShot]

There used to be a very old version of GIB at an old ftp server at some university that was free.
Later versions have a different interface and don't work with the old one.

[ASkolnick]

I used dealer, xp and Bridge Analyzer together but I only used the free copy.

[TimG]

Cascade, on Mar 11 2008, 03:15 PM, said:

Yes I have these working.

I think the problem is that bridge.exe might have been upgraded and the upgraded version does not work with dealer. This is some vague recollection of having problems with this several years ago.

Thanks. I don't think I ever upgraded -- all I ever used GIB for was simulations -- but I'll see if I can find the original disc and make sure I'm using an old, old version.