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Posted 2008-March-06, 16:05

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You plan to open 1♦ and are happy that if you follow it with 2♣ that it is forcing in your system.
But to your surprise your RHO opens 1♠. What is your plan?
2NT and 4NT are both for the minors, or do you start with a DBL?
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Posted 2008-March-06, 16:19

2NT WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 16:25

2N, the problems will come later.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 17:00

2NT, this hand might become easy. :P
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-06, 17:32

2N followed by 3♠.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 19:05

2NT, hoping to gather some info before making a decision.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 20:24

As the others, 2NT followed by 3S. Btw I would not have opened 1D if rho had passed. I would have opened 2C - after all, as little as Q of D gives me an excellent 5m and I don't think that would be enough for my partner to respond with.
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Posted 2008-March-07, 02:01

2NT now, think later ;)
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Posted 2008-March-07, 09:23

The_Hog, on Mar 6 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

As the others, 2NT followed by 3S. Btw I would not have opened 1D if rho had passed. I would have opened 2C - after all, as little as Q of D gives me an excellent 5m and I don't think that would be enough for my partner to respond with.

I agree that as little as the ♦Q gives you nearly 100% play for 5♦, but that is not the issue with the 2♣ opening. I want to get my suits in right away, and I really do not believe that the auction is going to go 1♦ - All Pass when I have only 3 major suit cards.

I would open 1♦.

As for the problem as given, 2NT seems clear, followed by 3♠ if it is available.
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Posted 2008-March-07, 11:26

I agree with the 1♦ opening.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-07, 14:46

Thanks for the answers.
If you bid 2NT followed by 3♠, will you ever stop below 5♣?
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I did bid 4NT:
(1S)-4NT-(P)-5C
All Pass
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Because bidding and play was fast, I don't know how bidding would have gone if you bid 2NT.
LHO did have a bad 6 card ♥, but was probably to weak to bid over 2NT.
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Posted 2008-March-07, 15:02

Am I missing something?

Why would you want to stop below 5♣?
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Posted 2008-March-07, 15:25

ArtK78, on Mar 7 2008, 11:02 PM, said:

Am I missing something?

Why would you want to stop below 5♣?

Not here, but I wondered if you would ever stop below 5♣.
If bidding would go eg:
(1S)-2NT-(P)-3C
(P)-3S-(P)-4C
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BTW: it looks like South hand would be better if Clubs were: AKQJx ?
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Posted 2008-March-07, 15:47

Sure, it is possible that you might want to stop below 5♣. But it is awfully difficult to diagnose that situation, especially when the opponents open the bidding.

And, yes, having AKQJx of clubs is potentially better than having AKQJT of clubs, as it offers the possibility of reaching dummy with a club while only decreasing marginally your chances of running the club suit without a loss. That is something that one takes into account qualitatively during the auction rather than quantitatively.

For example, suppose you have AKQJx of clubs rather than AKQJT of clubs, and partner has:

xxxx
xxx
98x
Txx

Now, even though partner has a zero count, you have a reasonable chance of scoring 11 tricks in clubs.
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