[655321]

♥A.

Easiest way to beat this seems to be for partner to have the ♥K and give us a ruff.
If declarer is 3136, his clubs are solid.

I would not have doubled (not saying double is wrong, just that I would have passed).

[rogerclee]

1) x. I have one less diamond than everyone else thinks and more defense.
2) Opener is 4315, which makes partner 4441. ♣ seems clear to try to stop the crossruff.

[skjaeran]

I would double this.

I switch to ♥A.

[han]

I think that declarer is 4-3-1-5 and partner 4-4-4-1. If declarer is 3-3-1-6 and partner 5-4-4-0 then there would have been more bidding. In that case either declarer has a gameforce or partner has a slam try.

No, it's got to be 4-3-1-5 and it is unlikely that partner has the club ace. If declarer has both major suit kings then it seems that the only chance to beat the contract is to continue with a diamond. For example, if we play a trump then declarer will pull trump, manage 3 heart tricks pitching a spade and leads a spade to his king and ruffing a spade in the end for only 3 losers.

However, if we make declarer ruff immediately and declarer pulls trump then he won't have enough time to set up both hearts and spades before we win a diamond trick. If declarer plays a heart at trick 3 then we go up with the ace immediately and play a third round of diamonds. Now if declarer goes to dummy with a heart and plays a spade up partner can give us a ruff. I don't think there is anything that declarer can do.

And I also don't think that declarer can have much more than both major suit kings:

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Maybe this is why partner gave a positive attitude signal.

[Roupoil]

1) No, but I have always been a chicken when it's about doubling.
2) A simple ♣...

[mike777]

very complicated hand but I think if partner has a true limit raise as a passed hand and a stiff or void in clubs they should bid 3c....not 2c

soo....if partner has at least two clubs on this auction.....

yes in modern bridge for partner to have a true limit raise in a minor as a passed hand...seems....rare..very rare....

[mike777]

Jlall, on Mar 8 2008, 04:55 AM, said:

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

very complicated hand but I think if partner has a true limit raise as a passed hand and a stiff or void in clubs they should bid 3c....not 2c

soo....if partner has at least two clubs on this auction.....

3C would be a mixed raise.

if partner is inviting game at this vul as a passed hand.......what does she have....limit...mixed...etc.......I assume 3c is constructive.....

1) you bid 1d at nv....

2) p is a passed hand. what is 3c now? compared to 2c?

3) minor suits

[andy_h]

Hmm tough. I think I would X this and switch to HA.

[han]

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 8 2008, 04:55 AM, said:

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

very complicated hand but I think if partner has a true limit raise as a passed hand and a stiff or void in clubs they should bid 3c....not 2c

soo....if partner has at least two clubs on this auction.....

3C would be a mixed raise.

what is 3c now? compared to 2c?

Can you read?

This is a defensive problem. If you are not interested in the defensive problem, why post?

[awm]

I agree with Han on continuing a diamond. I don't see much point to a trump switch, since declarer can still ruff two or three spades if that's what he wants.

There exist positions where partner has ♥K and we can set by playing ace and a heart. But it seems like when declarer doesn't have six clubs, continuing diamonds usually sets in these cases also (i.e. declarer can't pull trumps, will take only six clubs, one heart, two spades; if declarer doesn't pull trumps we will have a chance to play hearts later).

[mike777]

han, on Mar 8 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 8 2008, 04:55 AM, said:

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

very complicated hand but I think if partner has a true limit raise as a passed hand and a stiff or void in clubs they should bid 3c....not 2c

soo....if partner has at least two clubs on this auction.....

3C would be a mixed raise.

what is 3c now? compared to 2c?

Can you read?

This is a defensive problem. If you are not interested in the defensive problem, why post?

I thought it was a bidding problem also? We are asked what we bid at the end?

I guess I would double, but I am not sure what partner's hand is still.

"You hold xxxx AT AKxx xxx w/w MP 4th seat.

Auction goes:

P P 1C 1D
1H 2C X 2D
3C 3D 4C ?

2C was a limit raise, X was support.

Do you X this?"

[y66]

HA wins when pard has HK, CA or SA. Think he has to have one of those.

Don't know if it's right to double here.

[jdonn]

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

I thought it was a bidding problem also?

It is and it seems like han overreacted at you. He probably get annoyed that part of your response to jlalls comment "3♣ would be a mixed raise" was "what is 3♣ now?" which indeed seems designed to annoy.

[mike777]

jdonn, on Mar 8 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

mike777, on Mar 8 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

I thought it was a bidding problem also?

It is and it seems like han overreacted at you. He probably get annoyed that part of your response to jlalls comment "3♣ would be a mixed raise" was "what is 3♣ now?" which indeed seems designed to annoy.

If it did I am sorry. It was an honest question, of what a passed hand mixed raise is/looks like compared to a passed hand limit raise in the minor. I know one is less than the other, I am just trying to picture pard's hand.

I really do mean my questions as trying to learn and I thank you for your responses, sorry again.