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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2008-March-06, 03:04

Scoring: IMP

Pass - (1♠) - Dbl - (Pass)
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1♠ shows 4+ spades in a weak notrump system

Any strong feelings on the best call?
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Posted 2008-March-06, 03:08

I would bid 1NT. You're sometimes allowed to have a maximum.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 03:18

indeed
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Posted 2008-March-06, 03:31

Hi,

1 NT.

2C, 2D are out, since they show nothing,
the only alternative is 2NT.
Depending on your t/o style, partner may
be allowed to stretch in case he faces a passed
partner, i.e. you may not have full values
oppossite.
If you will always face full values, go ahead and
bid 2NT, but I think 1NT is enough.

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Posted 2008-March-06, 03:37

We can't bid 3m, because we could be in a 4-2 fit. 2NT is silly, with Axx opposite a takeout double. 2♦ is possible, but partner won't know about our values.

So the choices are between 1NT and 2♠.
2♠ depends on your agreements about a cuebid here, if it is not suitable, 1NT looks like your only choice.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 04:35

feel strongly about 1N, I do not think this is a maximum (it is a medium?) and I think everything else is silly. Takeout Xs are not always 1444 13 counts, especially when your RHO passes.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 07:14

wtp 1nt
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Posted 2008-March-06, 07:55

Jlall, on Mar 6 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

I do not think this is a maximum (it is a medium?)

What would a maximum look like?
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Posted 2008-March-06, 08:31

I don't think this is such a great hand for notrump, but there really is no other good call available than 1NT, particularly if partner is the type to double on 24(25) hands.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 09:24

1N. Seems kind of obvious to me.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 10:47

I posted this problem to see whether this was an obvious 1NT or if a 2NT response was a consideration. Seems like the answer is obvious but, unlike Justin, I think this is a maximum for 1NT.

Partner held a xx/Kxx/AKxxx/Axx and there were nine top tricks. Only one pair (of sixteen) bid 3NT on the board in the MBC and they had no opposition bidding.

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Posted 2008-March-06, 11:41

cardsharp, on Mar 6 2008, 08:47 AM, said:

I posted this problem to see whether this was an obvious 1NT or if a 2NT response was a consideration. Seems like the answer is obvious but, unlike Justin, I think this is a maximum for 1NT.

Partner held a xx/Kxx/AKxxx/Axx and there were nine top tricks. Only one pair (of sixteen) bid 3NT on the board in the MBC and they had no opposition bidding.

Paul

Unless your takeout doubles promise an opening bid, I think 8-11 for 1N and 12-13 for 2N is necessary.

Like Justin, this isn't a maximum 1N for me, especially with a single stop.

I might invite with your partner's hand, I'm not sure.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 12:23

gnasher, on Mar 6 2008, 08:55 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 6 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

I do not think this is a maximum (it is a medium?)

What would a maximum look like?

I would bid 1N routinely with 11s. So you can add a jack anywhere to this hand and I'd bid 1N.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 12:23

cardsharp, on Mar 6 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

I posted this problem to see whether this was an obvious 1NT or if a 2NT response was a consideration. Seems like the answer is obvious but, unlike Justin, I think this is a maximum for 1NT.

Partner held a xx/Kxx/AKxxx/Axx and there were nine top tricks. Only one pair (of sixteen) bid 3NT on the board in the MBC and they had no opposition bidding.

Paul

The other hand has a normal 2N bid IMO.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 14:30

Jlall, on Mar 7 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

cardsharp, on Mar 6 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

I posted this problem to see whether this was an obvious 1NT or if a 2NT response was a consideration. Seems like the answer is obvious but, unlike Justin, I think this is a maximum for 1NT.

Partner held a xx/Kxx/AKxxx/Axx and there were nine top tricks. Only one pair (of sixteen) bid 3NT on the board in the MBC and they had no opposition bidding.

Paul

The other hand has a normal 2N bid IMO.

... and you would go on with your "medium"?
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Posted 2008-March-06, 14:31

1NT seem absolutely auto here.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 14:44

Ditto.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-06, 15:10

If pard had ♣KJ instead of ♣A then youd have been happier to be in 1N.
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Posted 2008-March-06, 15:11

Cascade, on Mar 6 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 7 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

cardsharp, on Mar 6 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

I posted this problem to see whether this was an obvious 1NT or if a 2NT response was a consideration. Seems like the answer is obvious but, unlike Justin, I think this is a maximum for 1NT.

Partner held a xx/Kxx/AKxxx/Axx and there were nine top tricks. Only one pair (of sixteen) bid 3NT on the board in the MBC and they had no opposition bidding.

Paul

The other hand has a normal 2N bid IMO.

... and you would go on with your "medium"?

What do you think "Wayne"?!
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Posted 2008-March-06, 16:32

I bet "Justin" would pass, he always seems to pass invites. :P
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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