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Poll: Should a jump to game here show values or shape? (8 member(s) have cast votes)

Should a jump to game here show values or shape?

  1. Shape, may be a minimum in HCP (cuebid is only strong call) (6 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. Values, just as without interference (1 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. Values, but perhaps a bit lighter than without interference (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Ambiguous, could be either shape or strength (1 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

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#1 User is offline   Fasteddy 

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Posted 2008-March-02, 15:33

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Say you have a hand such as the above. After opening 1 and hearing 1 from pard, perhaps 2 is best. Any other call highly overstates your values, and there's a good chance the opps will let you bid again even if pard passes 2.

However, is 2 still right if RHO makes a 2 overcall? Unless pard is at least 5-5 in the majors, the opps have at least a 9-card heart fit. It's easy to construct hands where there's a double game -- or even slam -- swing, and surely you'll always bid at least 4 if 4 comes back to you.

After all that preamble, I'm suggesting that after 1 - P - 1 - 2, opener's jump to 4 should always show a hand of this type. With, say, 19 HCP and 4252 distribution, he needs to bid 3 at his second turn.

Agree?
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Posted 2008-March-02, 15:55

Yes, I think that this is a good agreement and it is standard in some circles.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-02, 16:03

With strong hand and good diamonds bid 4, with most 4-6 bid 4. Intervention doesn't make a big difference.
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Posted 2008-March-02, 18:30

Fasteddy, on Mar 2 2008, 10:33 PM, said:

After all that preamble, I'm suggesting that after 1 - P - 1 - 2, opener's jump to 4 should always show a hand of this type. With, say, 19 HCP and 4252 distribution, he needs to bid 3 at his second turn.

In the circles where I play that would be regarded as standard.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-02, 20:06

A lot of people play this way, quite likely the majority. But I really don't like it since I think it puts too much pressure on the cuebid, which could be several different hand types. I prefer to just bid whatever I would have on the hands with spade support. A hand with as much shape as your example is not common, and in any case I'll always get another chance.
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