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♠AJT85 ♥AQJ72 ♦QT ♣baby monkey
1♠ - 1N forcing - 2♥ - 2♠ - ?
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:17
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:18
Am pretty sure I'd bid 3♥
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:21
ewj, on Feb 28 2008, 07:18 PM, said:
Am pretty sure I'd bid 3♥
ditto british jlall, I think this is a non problem.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:28
I don't think it is a non-problem 
-100 in 3Major or 100/200 in 4Major when 2♠ is our limit is an expensive result, so this isn't a case in which we should be focussed almost exclusively on the vulnerable game bonus.
xx xx Kxxx Kxxxx (or worse) is perfectly consistent with the auction so far and +110 would be an acceptable outcome.
Having said that, everyone seems to bid here, and I guess I do as well. But I do think it is close, and I would expect to lose imps more often than I win them. The 'edge' that gets me to bid is the possibility that partner gave me a false preference with 2=3 in the majors and a trifle too much to pass 2♥: Qx Kxx Kxxx Jxxx is an example where passing 2♠ is clearly second-best.
-100 in 3Major or 100/200 in 4Major when 2♠ is our limit is an expensive result, so this isn't a case in which we should be focussed almost exclusively on the vulnerable game bonus.xx xx Kxxx Kxxxx (or worse) is perfectly consistent with the auction so far and +110 would be an acceptable outcome.
Having said that, everyone seems to bid here, and I guess I do as well. But I do think it is close, and I would expect to lose imps more often than I win them. The 'edge' that gets me to bid is the possibility that partner gave me a false preference with 2=3 in the majors and a trifle too much to pass 2♥: Qx Kxx Kxxx Jxxx is an example where passing 2♠ is clearly second-best.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:33
It's a scary world mike 
I think the saying "don't play partner for the worst possible hand" applies just as much as "don't play partner for the perfecta," and the latter doesnt even really apply when it comes to bidding vul games. Of course bidding can lead to a minus, but there are just sooooooo many ordinary 7/8/9 counts that produce a very good vul game that I don't think this is close.
I think the saying "don't play partner for the worst possible hand" applies just as much as "don't play partner for the perfecta," and the latter doesnt even really apply when it comes to bidding vul games. Of course bidding can lead to a minus, but there are just sooooooo many ordinary 7/8/9 counts that produce a very good vul game that I don't think this is close.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:55
♦Q is awful, I would pass.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 20:40
Fluffy, on Feb 29 2008, 01:55 PM, said:
♦Q is awful, I would pass.
Yes I always pass with the ♦ Q too.
Hang on I have AJT-fifth and AQJ-fifth they are great don't they compensate so for the ♦ Q.
3♥ expecting to go down sometimes and make game sometimes.
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-February-29, 12:52
Can't imagine not trying 3♥ here. Sure, we could go down, but still.
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Posted 2008-February-29, 14:38
skaeran, on Mar 1 2008, 07:52 AM, said:
Sure, we could go down, but still.
There's a first time for everything
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-February-29, 16:09
I've seen some situations like this and bidding on was not a sucess...
pass
pass
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Posted 2008-March-01, 01:16
whereagles, on Feb 29 2008, 11:09 PM, said:
I've seen some situations like this and bidding on was not a sucess...
pass
pass
I've seen a lot where bidding on was a success though....
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Posted 2008-March-03, 10:15
It's funny. Every expert I gave this hand to in real life is passing.
Yeah I caught ♠xx ♥K98 ♦AJxxx ♣xxx and had a gin 4♥. The other table was pushed to 4♥ after teammates balanced with 3♣.
Yeah I caught ♠xx ♥K98 ♦AJxxx ♣xxx and had a gin 4♥. The other table was pushed to 4♥ after teammates balanced with 3♣.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:44
pclayton, on Mar 3 2008, 11:15 AM, said:
It's funny. Every expert I gave this hand to in real life is passing.
That's cuz you hang out with senior world champs rather than juniors
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:46
Jlall, on Mar 3 2008, 11:44 AM, said:
pclayton, on Mar 3 2008, 11:15 AM, said:
It's funny. Every expert I gave this hand to in real life is passing.
That's cuz you hang out with senior world champs rather than juniors
I hang with both. Good read though
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