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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:14

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What would you open?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:17

I'm ok with 3H white. I think it's between 3 and pass, 2 is just too misdescriptve.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:32

Pass.
Second choice 4♥, if only because they can't bid 3NT over that.
Don't really mind 3♥, really hate 2♥.

Edit: Just noticed this is beginner-intermediate forum. Why?

This post has been edited by 655321: 2008-February-28, 18:35

That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:34

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

Now, that may be because I just became eligible for some seniors' discounts, but the thought of opening this hand at equal vulnerability in 1st seat makes me feel physically ill.

If I had to open: I'd bid 1N and pass the hoped for transfer... when I was younger (last Sunday?) it would have been 2N
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:35

pass
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:41

mikeh, on Feb 28 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

I don't agree with this. Can't be that bad for beginners to read that some experts would consider opening 3H with this hand while that idea would make others physically ill.

I passed when I had this hand btw, but I would have bid if white vs red.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:42

This 7-4 is just enough to put it over the 3♥ bar. I'm pretty nutso w/r though (you knew that)
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:44

Yes but this is w/w Phil. You were north btw.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:48

han, on Feb 29 2008, 02:44 AM, said:

Yes but this is w/w Phil. You were north btw.

...so 3rd hand? 3♥ or 4♥ then.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:50

No, Phil was north but he didn't have this hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:50

mikeh, on Feb 28 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

Now, that may be because I just became eligible for some seniors' discounts, but the thought of opening this hand at equal vulnerability in 1st seat makes me feel physically ill.

If I had to open: I'd bid 1N and pass the hoped for transfer... when I was younger (last Sunday?) it would have been 2N

ahh 2nt .....I think I saw Justin also open 2nt the other day with a weak hand......learning all the time.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 18:51

Pass because of wasted J.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 20:34

Pass ...

If we move this to the advance and expert forum THEN I would ...


Pass!!!

I can't see any advantage in bidding and you might do serious harm to your partnership trust when partner raises to 4♥ on his nice 16 count and you escape for 300 or 500.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 20:43

3♥ for me; there goes my vow to not preempt on junk. I like 7-4 way too much to pass this one. This has a couple of ways to gain; it would be really pessimistic to assume -500 against air.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 21:02

This isn't junk, it's a good hand with hearts but not quite opening strength. 3♥
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Posted 2008-February-28, 21:05

gwnn, on Feb 29 2008, 04:02 PM, said:

This isn't junk, it's a good hand with hearts but not quite opening strength. 3♥

So what do you open when you have an extra jack?
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Posted 2008-February-28, 21:09

Pass.

If the seven-bagger were spades, maybe. Not with hearts.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 21:27

That's interesting Ken, I've always thought that preempting with hearts is more important than with Spades. Is it a coincidence that McCallum says to "open 4H as much as possible"? Although that's also a rule easy to abuse, I think that there is a lot to say for preempting more aggressively in hearts than in spades.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 22:06

han, on Feb 28 2008, 10:27 PM, said:

That's interesting Ken, I've always thought that preempting with hearts is more important than with Spades. Is it a coincidence that McCallum says to "open 4H as much as possible"? Although that's also a rule easy to abuse, I think that there is a lot to say for preempting more aggressively in hearts than in spades.

I think that there is a difference between the three-level and the four-level as to major preempting, personally. I may be wrong, but it seems that whereas 4♥ seems to be more successful than 4♠, 3♠ is more successful than 3♥.
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Posted 2008-February-29, 02:17

Pass.

Make it green vs. reg, and I would open 2H.
Thats our partnership agreement, and I will
stick to it.

If your partnership agreements allows 2H or 3H,
than go ahead.


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