BBO Discussion Forums: What to bid? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

What to bid? Competitive Auction

Poll: Your bid? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. Pass (7 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  2. Double (5 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  3. 3 NT (3 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  4. 4 Hearts (6 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  5. Other (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   jdeegan 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,427
  • Joined: 2005-August-12
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Economics
    Finance
    Bridge bidding theory
    Cooking
    Downhill skiing

Posted 2008-February-26, 20:14

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♣-1♠
2♥-3♠-????


You are playing in a BBO indie. Your partner is a starred player from a small country in eastern Europe. The opponents regard themselves as experts. This is the first board. I considered this a difficult choice of bids. Do you agree? What would your bid have been?
0

#2 User is offline   rogerclee 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,214
  • Joined: 2007-December-16
  • Location:Pasadena, CA

Posted 2008-February-26, 21:12

I have a 4333 weak NT with spade wastage and only mediocre heart support opposite a PH. Pass seems clear.
0

#3 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2008-February-26, 21:24

I bid 4♥ for sure. It could be making. Maybe they make the wrong lead, like a spade to set up a club discard. If it's not making then they will often rescue me by saving, which is a huge factor. There are just too many ways for raising partner to win. Meanwhile if I pass partner will fear I'm shaded in 3rd seat and he will pass it out almost always, so I can't depend on him to save us when it's right.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#4 User is offline   655321 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,502
  • Joined: 2007-December-22

Posted 2008-February-26, 21:26

4♥

Although I would bid 4♥ here always, I don't feel strongly about it, if that makes sense. :)
I don't expect 4♥ to make - my guess would be one down - but sometimes it will make.
But sometimes 3♠ will make, sometimes they will bid 4♠ and get doubled.
It just seems that good things happen more often when you support partner, even on a hand with such ratty support as this one.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
0

#5 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2008-February-26, 22:08

I pass

4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5.

Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#6 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2008-February-26, 23:25

pclayton, on Feb 27 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

I pass

4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5.

Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch.

Agree 100%
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#7 User is offline   Codo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,373
  • Joined: 2003-March-15
  • Location:Hamburg, Germany
  • Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball

Posted 2008-February-27, 02:00

With a passed partner pass is clear.

I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard?
Kind Regards

Roland

Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
0

#8 User is offline   rogerclee 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,214
  • Joined: 2007-December-16
  • Location:Pasadena, CA

Posted 2008-February-27, 02:03

Codo, on Feb 27 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

With a passed partner pass is clear.

I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard?

Yes, it would be forcing.
0

#9 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2008-February-27, 02:49

Pass seems obvious. If partner thinks that means I don't have a real opening bid, that's fine with me.

Even opposite a prime collection like x AQ10xx Axxx Jxx 4H is going to need a lot of luck, whereas 3S will probably go down.

I think the chance of the opponents saving against 4H is slim - their trumps are poor, LHO probably doesn't have a strong side suit, and they know they may already have forced me to guess.

A harder problem is what to do on the next round if partner doubles for takeout in the passout seat. I think I'd leave it in.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#10 User is offline   jdeegan 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,427
  • Joined: 2005-August-12
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Economics
    Finance
    Bridge bidding theory
    Cooking
    Downhill skiing

Posted 2008-February-27, 03:31

:) Thanks for the comments. On the actual hand, pass or double would have worked out better, although I'm not sure how much that means since pard held an unlikely card - the stiff queen of spades.
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♣-1♠
2♥-3♠!-???

The hand was played only four times, twice at 4♥ (down one), once at 2NT (down one), and once at 3♠ (down 2). I lost -1.33 IMP by bidding 4♥ - hey, it's a bidder's game. E-W were very aggressive both with the 1♠ overcall (I would make this every time) and the 3♠ raise (not to my taste with 4-3-4-2 shape and no spade honor).

At one table, N-S bid to 4♥ with no interference. At another, South bid 2NT after East raised to 2♠ only (kinda weird). At the fourth table, East took the push to 3♠ after West passed over 1♣, then came in with 2♠ after N-S bid 1♣ - 1♥ -1NT, and then North competed with 3♣. The bidding at indies can be a barrel of laughs.
0

#11 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2008-February-27, 04:57

Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't.
0

#12 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2008-February-27, 07:20

I'd bid 4♥ quickly, opponents often autobid 4♠ over this.
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#13 User is offline   Cascade 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 6,772
  • Joined: 2003-July-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Zealand
  • Interests:Juggling, Unicycling

Posted 2008-February-27, 13:08

whereagles, on Feb 27 2008, 11:57 PM, said:

Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't.

I don't think KJx is a good enough stopper for 3NT on this auction. We will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set.
Wayne Burrows

I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

#14 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2008-February-27, 13:44

Cascade, on Feb 27 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

we will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set.

You think so? Well, if pard happens to have the ♦A, all we need is to setup hearts without letting the hand go to RHO.
0

#15 User is offline   helene_t 

  • The Abbess
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,401
  • Joined: 2004-April-22
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Odense, Denmark
  • Interests:History, languages

Posted 2008-February-27, 13:55

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
0

#16 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2008-February-27, 13:57

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

For me, 2♥ looks about right, but I consider a 2♥ call in this sequence to be a call that looks like a "fit jump" without the jump. The fact that 1♠ deprived me of the ability to jump to 2♥ does not change the character of the bid.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#17 User is offline   skjaeran 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,727
  • Joined: 2006-June-05
  • Location:Oslo, Norway
  • Interests:Bridge, sports, Sci-fi, fantasy

Posted 2008-February-27, 14:42

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

I disagree with 2♥, this is a negX to me.

I'd have bid 4♥ most probably.
Kind regards,
Harald
0

#18 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2008-February-27, 15:42

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

Agree with her as always :)
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#19 User is offline   Cascade 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 6,772
  • Joined: 2003-July-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Zealand
  • Interests:Juggling, Unicycling

Posted 2008-February-27, 16:27

Negative double for me too.

The opening poster's partner on the hand was from Eastern Europe - perhaps he plays negative free bids.
Wayne Burrows

I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

#20 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2008-February-27, 21:40

Ditto on negative double.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users