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What to bid? Competitive Auction

Poll: Your bid? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. Pass (7 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  2. Double (5 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  3. 3 NT (3 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  4. 4 Hearts (6 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  5. Other (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

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Posted 2008-February-26, 20:14

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♣-1♠
2♥-3♠-????


You are playing in a BBO indie. Your partner is a starred player from a small country in eastern Europe. The opponents regard themselves as experts. This is the first board. I considered this a difficult choice of bids. Do you agree? What would your bid have been?
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Posted 2008-February-26, 21:12

I have a 4333 weak NT with spade wastage and only mediocre heart support opposite a PH. Pass seems clear.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 21:24

I bid 4♥ for sure. It could be making. Maybe they make the wrong lead, like a spade to set up a club discard. If it's not making then they will often rescue me by saving, which is a huge factor. There are just too many ways for raising partner to win. Meanwhile if I pass partner will fear I'm shaded in 3rd seat and he will pass it out almost always, so I can't depend on him to save us when it's right.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 21:26

4♥

Although I would bid 4♥ here always, I don't feel strongly about it, if that makes sense. :)
I don't expect 4♥ to make - my guess would be one down - but sometimes it will make.
But sometimes 3♠ will make, sometimes they will bid 4♠ and get doubled.
It just seems that good things happen more often when you support partner, even on a hand with such ratty support as this one.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 22:08

I pass

4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5.

Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 23:25

pclayton, on Feb 27 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

I pass

4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5.

Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch.

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Posted 2008-February-27, 02:00

With a passed partner pass is clear.

I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard?
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Posted 2008-February-27, 02:03

Codo, on Feb 27 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

With a passed partner pass is clear.

I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard?

Yes, it would be forcing.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 02:49

Pass seems obvious. If partner thinks that means I don't have a real opening bid, that's fine with me.

Even opposite a prime collection like x AQ10xx Axxx Jxx 4H is going to need a lot of luck, whereas 3S will probably go down.

I think the chance of the opponents saving against 4H is slim - their trumps are poor, LHO probably doesn't have a strong side suit, and they know they may already have forced me to guess.

A harder problem is what to do on the next round if partner doubles for takeout in the passout seat. I think I'd leave it in.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 03:31

:) Thanks for the comments. On the actual hand, pass or double would have worked out better, although I'm not sure how much that means since pard held an unlikely card - the stiff queen of spades.
Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♣-1♠
2♥-3♠!-???

The hand was played only four times, twice at 4♥ (down one), once at 2NT (down one), and once at 3♠ (down 2). I lost -1.33 IMP by bidding 4♥ - hey, it's a bidder's game. E-W were very aggressive both with the 1♠ overcall (I would make this every time) and the 3♠ raise (not to my taste with 4-3-4-2 shape and no spade honor).

At one table, N-S bid to 4♥ with no interference. At another, South bid 2NT after East raised to 2♠ only (kinda weird). At the fourth table, East took the push to 3♠ after West passed over 1♣, then came in with 2♠ after N-S bid 1♣ - 1♥ -1NT, and then North competed with 3♣. The bidding at indies can be a barrel of laughs.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 04:57

Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 07:20

I'd bid 4♥ quickly, opponents often autobid 4♠ over this.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 13:08

whereagles, on Feb 27 2008, 11:57 PM, said:

Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't.

I don't think KJx is a good enough stopper for 3NT on this auction. We will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 13:44

Cascade, on Feb 27 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

we will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set.

You think so? Well, if pard happens to have the ♦A, all we need is to setup hearts without letting the hand go to RHO.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 13:55

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 13:57

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

For me, 2♥ looks about right, but I consider a 2♥ call in this sequence to be a call that looks like a "fit jump" without the jump. The fact that 1♠ deprived me of the ability to jump to 2♥ does not change the character of the bid.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 14:42

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

I disagree with 2♥, this is a negX to me.

I'd have bid 4♥ most probably.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 15:42

helene_t, on Feb 27 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl.

Agree with her as always :)
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Posted 2008-February-27, 16:27

Negative double for me too.

The opening poster's partner on the hand was from Eastern Europe - perhaps he plays negative free bids.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 21:40

Ditto on negative double.
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