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Third in hand

Poll: Your call? (63 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (8 votes [12.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.70%

  2. Double (17 votes [26.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.98%

  3. 2[DI] (35 votes [55.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  4. Chimpanzees (3 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

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#1 User is offline   jchiu 

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Posted 2008-February-22, 04:26

Scoring: XIMP

Pass (1) ???


Please vote for chimpanzees if you are a Raptor lover or ELC fanatic who can't afford not to be playing it for one hand.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 05:13

This hand is strong enough that I would like to say something

I think that there are three reasonable choices playing standard methods.

In order of preference

2

1. I definitely want a Diamond lead.
2. This gets the hand off my chest with one bid
3. Sure I'd like a 6th Diamond, but if this suit isn't good enough, what is

Pass

1. You don't always have to bid...
2. Some people might prefer a bit more offensive strength for a 2 level overcall


Double


1. This brings two of your three suits into the picture, more importantly, it emphasizes Hearts
2. You're gonna be hurting if partner bids 2, but he won't always bid 2

2

1. This gets across the two suited nature of the hand
2. If your don't play Good/Bad Michaels you aren't misrepresenting range

Scores

2 = 8
Pass = 4
Double = 3
2 = 2
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Posted 2008-February-22, 05:17

Well I am going to x here. I full well know the risks of a 2C response. Second choice pass.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 05:23

2. This suggests a 6-card but we are non-vul and the suit is very good.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 05:29

Double for me. 2 is also reasonable.

Pass is not for me. I think it is losing bridge not to enter the auction with this hand.

But the 2 mentioned in an earlier post - quite rightly not included in the poll - is even worse than pass. It is a horrible bid. Partner will be tricked into believing you are 5/5, and will often bid 3 or 4 hearts, innocently unaware of the nasty shock he is about to get when he sees his dummy in 4X.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 06:18

Pass.

2nd alternative 2D, but most of the
time I would pass.

I have considered 2S, but this should
show 5-5, after all you will be playing
both suits at the 3 level, if 54 is allowed,
than the only the king of spades speaks
against 2S.

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Posted 2008-February-22, 06:46

I pull the red card from the box wave it around a little bit, then put it back and put 2 on the table.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 07:01

That might suggest a hand a tad strong for 2. Better to make an insufficient 1 bid and then correct it to 2.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 07:28

No Helene, waving double and 2 Diamonds shows the red suits with longer Diamonds, a stronger 2 Diamond bid is shown by stop 2 Diamond.

If you use stop 2 Diamond for a weak jump, you have a problem. Mabye it is possible to smash the bidding cards on the table with a stronger hand.

I use to solve this problem in another way. I take all biding cards including 2 Heart out of the box, so that anybody can see them and then say: OOOPs, sorry and put the 2 Heart card back to the box. This shows Diamonds with Heart tolerance and no extra strength. Perfect.
If your hearts are stronger, try the other way round. Just take 2 Diamond out and correct it emmedeately to 2 HEart.

BBO sucks, because they disabled this, :P

so here I must bid 2 Diamond with X a distand second and no third choice.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 07:45

I agree with Richard's post.

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Posted 2008-February-22, 08:12

I always double with this shape but with this hand 2D looks right. Partner is a passed hand so I think the lead directional purposes of bidding diamonds outweigh other concerns (like we might miss 4H) since game is pretty unlikely our way.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 09:08

Codo, on Feb 22 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

BBO sucks, because they disabled this, :o

Haven't you discovered the green button at the center bottom of the screen? It is not always disabled.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 09:28

Very good problem, both double a 2D seem reasonable. Make the hand a bit stronger and double would be clear imo. Make the hand a bit weaker (same shape, same diamonds) and 2D would be clear. As it is, I judged that we might still have a heart game and voted for double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-22, 09:44

This is a little too weak for me to make an off-shape double opposite a passed partner.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:14

2D. A matter of style. We still have a shot at hearts if pard makes a responsive dbl.

To the doublers: do your pards always take preference to hearts with 4H and 5C?
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:24

I dislike double. As usual. I bid 2. 2nd choice pass.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:28

Jlall, on Feb 22 2008, 09:12 AM, said:

I always double with this shape but with this hand 2D looks right.

These are exactly my thoughts.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 12:47

I double with this shape.

The most likely games are 4 and 3NT. 3NT is not at all likely when partner is a passed hand so 4 is the only likely game and the easiest way to move towards that (if it exists) is double.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 00:21

Since pard is a passed hand, it may be more important to get him to a good lead than trying to fight spades with hearts. I'll try 2. Would dbl if pard were not passed.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 01:06

whereagles, on Feb 23 2008, 01:21 AM, said:

Since pard is a passed hand, it may be more important to get him to a good lead than trying to fight spades with hearts. I'll try 2. Would dbl if pard were not passed.

wow i totally agree with whereagles and jdonn in this thread!
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