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You can't find out about 3rd round control in ♦s and 3rd round control in ♣s. So I think I'd settle for 6♠.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 10:34
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Posted 2008-February-26, 11:07
4C-----4S followed by 5C will show
AK of Clubs
D control
H control
nothing better i can do.
agree, easy 13imps
AK of Clubs
D control
H control
nothing better i can do.
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Piece of cake for relay bidding, though
agree, easy 13imps
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 11:21
If opener knew about the Jxxx of trumps then the auction:
2C - 2D
2S - 3S
3NT - 4H
4NT - 5C
5NT - 6C
6D - 7S
would do it.
3NT = asks for cuebid
4H = cuebid, denies club or diamond control.
4NT = keycards
5C = 1 or 4
5NT = yeah I know and I know you don't have minor kings but I'm interested in a grand anyway.
6C = club queen.
6D = third round diamond control?
7S = Yes!
Maybe a serious partnership would be able to distinguish beteen the various grand slam tries, namely 5H, 5NT and 5D followed by 5NT. Perhaps the last would ask for extra help in trumps.
2C - 2D
2S - 3S
3NT - 4H
4NT - 5C
5NT - 6C
6D - 7S
would do it.
3NT = asks for cuebid
4H = cuebid, denies club or diamond control.
4NT = keycards
5C = 1 or 4
5NT = yeah I know and I know you don't have minor kings but I'm interested in a grand anyway.
6C = club queen.
6D = third round diamond control?
7S = Yes!
Maybe a serious partnership would be able to distinguish beteen the various grand slam tries, namely 5H, 5NT and 5D followed by 5NT. Perhaps the last would ask for extra help in trumps.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 15:48
brianshark, on Feb 26 2008, 05:34 PM, said:
You can't find out about 3rd round control in ♦s and 3rd round control in ♣s. So I think I'd settle for 6♠.
Huh?
Over 3♠ 3NT serious.
4♥ - 4NT
5♣ - 5NT
6♣ - 6♦
7♠
4♥ is a cue, denies minor suit cue.
6♣=♣Q
6♦ ask for 3rd round control, 7♠ show doubleton ♦.
EDIT: Didn't read further before posting, Han and I are in agreement I see.
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2008-February-26, 18:56
As you know my preference is for relays (for which this is easy), and I DID read the OP but very old-fashioned ROmex would also do the job:-
2C strong 2H (2 controls - hence must be HA)
2S natural 3S (no shortage, something extra to show)
4D ask similar to Epsilon 4S (3rd rd control)
5C similar ask 5H (3rd rd control)
7S and before you ask whether this could be 3-6-2-2 with too much work to do, a suit so good is excluded (it must be headed by A at least in this instance)
Asking bids are well-suited to strong two type auctions, or alternatively multicueing after controls are known so that you force responder to cue 3rd round controls....
Obviously in both cases it is a much easier auction because the agreed suit is S, providing room while if the trumps suit was say D, the auction would be far more tenuous for all except relay systems.
Hence it has long been my contention that relay systems gain enormously for minor suit slams and grandslams which are rarely hinted at in other methods or just "unbiddable other than by punt" for those others...
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2C strong 2H (2 controls - hence must be HA)
2S natural 3S (no shortage, something extra to show)
4D ask similar to Epsilon 4S (3rd rd control)
5C similar ask 5H (3rd rd control)
7S and before you ask whether this could be 3-6-2-2 with too much work to do, a suit so good is excluded (it must be headed by A at least in this instance)
Asking bids are well-suited to strong two type auctions, or alternatively multicueing after controls are known so that you force responder to cue 3rd round controls....
Obviously in both cases it is a much easier auction because the agreed suit is S, providing room while if the trumps suit was say D, the auction would be far more tenuous for all except relay systems.
Hence it has long been my contention that relay systems gain enormously for minor suit slams and grandslams which are rarely hinted at in other methods or just "unbiddable other than by punt" for those others...
regards
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Posted 2008-February-26, 19:28
skaeran, on Feb 26 2008, 04:48 PM, said:
brianshark, on Feb 26 2008, 05:34 PM, said:
You can't find out about 3rd round control in ♦s and 3rd round control in ♣s. So I think I'd settle for 6♠.
Huh?
Over 3♠ 3NT serious.
4♥ - 4NT
5♣ - 5NT
6♣ - 6♦
7♠
4♥ is a cue, denies minor suit cue.
6♣=♣Q
6♦ ask for 3rd round control, 7♠ show doubleton ♦.
EDIT: Didn't read further before posting, Han and I are in agreement I see.
Yes, nicely bid Harald.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 19:42
I think partner will realize that my cue sequence instead of controls ask alerts him to 'right' Qs. DQ+CQ needed when I continue without speaking hearts.