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do you open 1h with this hand ? just curios if op was right

#1 User is offline   jocdelevat 

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Posted 2008-February-24, 18:51

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Posted 2008-February-24, 19:40

I think it is a style thing, and I lean towards 1♥. The opening that you should never ever be considering is 2♥. (Yes, I realize now that this makes me sound like a crotchety old man.)
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Posted 2008-February-24, 19:44

1H for me but if you two prefer sounder openings then 2H is fine. I don't like pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-24, 19:54

Agree with Han.

The opening that you should never ever be considering is 1♠. :D
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Posted 2008-February-24, 20:06

Agree with Han, can see the suit quality would be an issue for 2♥ but I don't care so much about that, especially nonvul.
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Posted 2008-February-24, 22:54

Definitely 1H for me.
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Posted 2008-February-24, 23:04

I would open it 1♥, but i think the majority of players on BBO would not. Those in this forum are aggressive.... so you are getting a selected population here i think. I believe weak 2♥ would be teh hands down favorite
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Posted 2008-February-25, 01:38

1♥ or 2♥ I don't care which but never pass!!

I don't think there should be a gap between your 1♥ and 2♥ openings. Where you place the boundary is open to partnership agreement.

The way I currently play this is 1♥.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 01:52

Clearly good enough for 1♥ to me. It's true the majority of random bbo players seem to disagree, but that really means nothing to me.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 02:04

Hi,

1H.

You have a 6-4 shape, most of the points are in
your long suit, and no rebid problem, so 1H.

If I cant open with 1H, than I would consider pass.

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Posted 2008-February-25, 02:29

1♥ for me. You can expect to have some good results from opening your hand, but there will also be some hands where you are overboard (if you have a misfit and partner forces to game on a minimum hand). I guess from your question that this might have happened, and then partner criticized you for opening with 1♥.

A good tool to evaluate your hand for an opening bid is the Rule of 20. It applies to this hand because:

* Most high cards are in your long suits, but more importantly no deductions from bad holdings like singleton honor, Q doubleton and Jack doubleton.

* You have at least 10 HCP (hands with less than 10 HCP are very rarely opening hands, even if they satisfy the rule-of-20). To illustrate, I would never open 1♥ on:


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Posted 2008-February-25, 05:35

People at the club would open 2♥. I prefer 1♥.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 06:23

Well, I hate everything else but 1♥ very strongly.

I hate 1♥ only slightly.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 07:56

Pass in 1/2 position, 2♥ in 3rd. The heart suit is not solid, and I don't have 2 defensive tricks.

If opps end up in 3NT or 4♠ I'm not sure whether a ♥ lead from partner would be best.

It's not about the points or even the distribution. I would open 1♥ with this distribution if my hand was

x
AQxxxx
Axxx
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Posted 2008-February-25, 08:26

I would open 2♥.
I don't think this hand is strong enough to open 1♥.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 10:22

Cascade, on Feb 25 2008, 02:38 AM, said:

I don't think there should be a gap between your 1♥ and 2♥ openings.

I've always played them as being right up against each other, but it's nice to hear someone else say this.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-February-25, 10:31

Cascade, on Feb 25 2008, 08:38 AM, said:

I don't think there should be a gap between your 1♥ and 2♥ openings.

Agree. The borderline hands (as this one arguably is) are quite common and if you pass them, you are more likely to get stolen from than when you pass with a very weak hand.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 12:54

I didn't have this hand. I was the op. I posted because the final contract was 4s x by us(made it) and her pard asked why she opened 1h with 10 hcp and her answer was 6 loosers hand.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 12:59

this was the full hand



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West North East South

 -     Pass  1♥    Dbl
 2♥    2♠    3♥    3♠
 4♥    Pass  Pass  4♠
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 
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Posted 2008-February-25, 13:11

West's 2H bid was criminal.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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