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two level overcalls

Poll: 1S ? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

1S ?

  1. 2H (5 votes [31.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.25%

  2. pass (10 votes [62.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  3. other (1 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

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#1 User is offline   y66 

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Posted 2008-February-23, 09:38

W/W MPs RHO deals and opens 1S

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Posted 2008-February-23, 09:46

A matter of style, but for me it would be
either pass or 3H.
And since I dont really like 3H, pass it is.

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Posted 2008-February-23, 10:05

This is a very clear pass, you should put in the ♥Q just to start some sort of discussion.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 10:57

2♥. Bid once, bid early.

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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:04

Despite not being up to "normal" standards, I really don't think 2♥ is awful. I certainly wouldn't criticize pass, but I'd much rather bid 2♥ on this than on a random 3532 13 count.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:17

pass
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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:17

gwnn, on Feb 23 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

This is a very clear pass, you should put in the ♥Q just to start some sort of discussion.

I think if you turn a low heart into ♥Q, then it would be criminal to pass. You can discuss 2♥ vs 3♥, of course.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:17

It depends who I'm playing with/against but I'd often bid 2H at MP w/w
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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:47

2♥ for sure. What's the risk? Get in there, it's MPs.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 11:59

For me add the ♥ J and bidding 2♥ is standout.

On the actual hand I might bid 2♥.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 13:43

Oops Csaba and Kristoffer both vote pass, make me worried about my 2♥ bid.

If p has a fit this hand has sufficient playing strength, it has the same adjusted LTC as xx-AKQxx-KQx-xxx. Also my spade shortness make it risky to pass. Yet 2♥ can obviously be wrong if p has not fit or if he (eventually) decides to double their 4♠.

Would obviously pass at vul and at IMPs probably also pass at w/w.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 16:34

I voted other, but that's just cause if I knew my opps, with some I'd bid 3.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 17:41

Pass.

I get a bit of a kick out of those that overcall 2♥ AND bid 3♣ on the other thread with the ♣QTxxxxx
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Posted 2008-February-23, 18:46

pclayton, on Feb 24 2008, 12:41 PM, said:

Pass.

I get a bit of a kick out of those that overcall 2♥ AND bid 3♣ on the other thread with the ♣QTxxxxx

Exactly I just posted as such on the other thread ;)
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Posted 2008-February-23, 18:53

pclayton, on Feb 23 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

Pass.

I get a bit of a kick out of those that overcall 2♥ AND bid 3♣ on the other thread with the ♣QTxxxxx

Why is that? The other hand was xx Tx AK QT-7th. Move the duplicated ♦K to somewhere useful and you might well make 3♥. Or you might go down. Oh well. Opponents have a 10-card spade fit and are cold for probably 3S or 4S.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 19:19

cherdano, on Feb 23 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 23 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

Pass.

I get a bit of a kick out of those that overcall 2♥ AND bid 3♣ on the other thread with the ♣QTxxxxx

Why is that? The other hand was xx Tx AK QT-7th. Move the duplicated ♦K to somewhere useful and you might well make 3♥. Or you might go down. Oh well. Opponents have a 10-card spade fit and are cold for probably 3S or 4S.

Exactly, and I would try to preempt an argument like "that would not be true if you rearrange the suits" by saying the spade shortness in particular is a large part of the appeal of overcalling on a hand this light.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 19:27

Pretty tight this one. It's close but I'd pass. 2 level overcalls are a lot different to overcalls at the one level, where you should get in at all costs.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 19:53

Easy pass for me, even w/w MPs. If my agreements were to overcall light over 1♠ at the 2-level, then this is a clear 2♥ bid, but I have tried both light and sound and believe I get more mileage out of having sound overcalls.
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Posted 2008-February-23, 20:06

I would certainly pass, so interesting to read the comments.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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