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Where do you want to be in MP pairs and is it different at imps?

#1 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2008-February-20, 00:16

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Bid the 50% slam or no?
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Posted 2008-February-20, 00:18

Seems worse than 50%, as I cannot pick up Kxxx on the left at all. Picking up Kxx on the left is also hard, as I only have one entry to my hand.

So no.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 02:59

You only need one entry. You can run the 8. But it's still a <50% slam.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 03:07

brianshark, on Feb 20 2008, 01:59 AM, said:

You only need one entry. You can run the 8. But it's still a <50% slam.

Oh, right. :unsure:
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Posted 2008-February-20, 03:14

There is also the 5-1 heart break and a ruff.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 03:28

Slams that are often described as 50% are rarely as good as that. In this instance a 5-1 heart break will also cause it to fail.

If you did not bid slams that appear to be 'just on a finesse' then you would certainly be better for it.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:26

at mps, no.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 14:16

Cascade, on Feb 20 2008, 04:14 AM, said:

There is also the 5-1 heart break and a ruff.

No there isn't.

Wrong slam. ;)
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Posted 2008-February-20, 16:41

Yes there is, 5-1 heart break -> ruff.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 19:06

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2008, 10:28 PM, said:

Slams that are often described as 50% are rarely as good as that. In this instance a 5-1 heart break will also cause it to fail.

If you did not bid slams that appear to be 'just on a finesse' then you would certainly be better for it.

Paul

I usually say that suit slams are never exactly 50% - there is always a chance of an obscure ruff.

"Never" might be an overbid but it is pretty darn close.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 20:17

Cascade, on Feb 20 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

cardsharp, on Feb 20 2008, 10:28 PM, said:

Slams that are often described as 50% are rarely as good as that. In this instance a 5-1 heart break will also cause it to fail.

If you did not bid slams that appear to be 'just on a finesse' then you would certainly be better for it.

Paul

I usually say that suit slams are never exactly 50% - there is always a chance of an obscure ruff.

"Never" might be an overbid but it is pretty darn close.

Bid 6N next time :)
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