[luis]

Scoring: IMP

1s-pass-1N*-3h
4d-pass-?

1N=forcing (2/1)

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Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps.
Now what?

[inquiry]

luis, on Mar 5 2004, 12:30 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1s-pass-1N*-3h
4d-pass-?

1N=forcing (2/1)

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Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps.
Now what?

Do I agree with 1NT? No, but then I have changed my responding scheme so that 1NT forcing never includes 3 card support, weak or strong.

What next here? I have no idea, and neither will anyone else. Parnter could have two ♥ and a ♠ losers so going past 4♠ is death, or partner could have a ♥ void and a rock crusher and 7♠ is laydown. I guess I would cue-bid 4♥ in the hope this is a general slam try with one fit or the other (sort of last-train), but not sure this will be clear to parnter who might take it for an actual ♥ stopper.

However, I do know how I would bid this if I was playing my way.... I would have responded 2♣ with south hand. I will not repeat all the hands it could be (in another thread), but when WEST jumps to 3♥ and my partner bids 4♦ I know that he has a void in ♥s.. Why? Because we play garrazzo 2/3 doubles on this auction. A pass over 3♥ would show 1 or 4 ♥, a double would show 2/3, and a direct bid would show a void. Now, I am in the cat bird seat facing a ♥ void. I think a nice fat blackwood or immediate 5♠ bid is in order.

Now what if partner passed over 3♥, now I know singleton or four hearts. Since I am looking at two hearts, I refuse to believe it is four. However, I can double and partner will pull with one if I am worried about him having four. Or, armed with the knowledge that partner has a stiff ♥, I can go ahead and bid my 3♠ bid (like you were going to do), to show this hand. I would actually double (also 2/3 double), and partner will bid 3♠ minimum and something else with maximum and singleton ♥.

[luis]

inquiry, on Mar 5 2004, 05:47 PM, said:

luis, on Mar 5 2004, 12:30 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1s-pass-1N*-3h
4d-pass-?

1N=forcing (2/1)

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Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps.
Now what?

Do I agree with 1NT? No, but then I have changed my responding scheme so that 1NT forcing never includes 3 card support, weak or strong.

What next here? I have no idea, and neither will anyone else. Parnter could have two ♥ and a ♠ losers so going past 4♠ is death, or partner could have a ♥ void and a rock crusher and 7♠ is laydown. I guess I would cue-bid 4♥ in the hope this is a general slam try with one fit or the other (sort of last-train), but not sure this will be clear to parnter who might take it for an actual ♥ stopper.

However, I do know how I would bid this if I was playing my way.... I would have responded 2♣ with south hand. I will not repeat all the hands it could be (in another thread), but when WEST jumps to 3♥ and my partner bids 4♦ I know that he has a void in ♥s.. Why? Because we play garrazzo 2/3 doubles on this auction. A pass over 3♥ would show 1 or 4 ♥, a double would show 2/3, and a direct bid would show a void. Now, I am in the cat bird seat facing a ♥ void. I think a nice fat blackwood or immediate 5♠ bid is in order.

Now what if partner passed over 3♥, now I know singleton or four hearts. Since I am looking at two hearts, I refuse to believe it is four. However, I can double and partner will pull with one if I am worried about him having four. Or, armed with the knowledge that partner has a stiff ♥, I can go ahead and bid my 3♠ bid (like you were going to do), to show this hand. I would actually double (also 2/3 double), and partner will bid 3♠ minimum and something else with maximum and singleton ♥.

Playing Garozzo doubles your pd would have bid double showing (2/3 hearts).
But I wonder how does opener bid a two suiter playing Garozzo doubles? If he doesn't have a void in hearts he can't bid 4d ? How do you handle two suiters Ben? I'm interested.

[inquiry]

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Playing Garozzo doubles your pd would have bid double showing (2/3 hearts).  But I wonder how does opener bid a two suiter playing Garozzo doubles? If he doesn't have a void in hearts he can't bid 4d ? How do you handle two suiters Ben? I'm interested.

Well, hopefully some our our italian friends will help with this as far as it is played in the wild. What I will describe is my understanding of garrazzo 2/3 double.

First, I only use it on two auctions. Where we have redoubled and are looking for potential penalty of the opponents who step into our auction. And after my 2♣ response to a 1M opening bid.

It works for me here because the 2♣ bidder is either really GAME FORCE hand, or balanced hand with game invite+ stregnth and no support, or the kind of hand you showed here.

So after... 1M-p-2♣-BID... openers choices are....

If bid was below 2M, opener can bid 2M as the I am sorry I opened hand, this DOES NOT nor deny a void. Can bid anything else, promises a void. Pass and double are both within the confines of 2/3 double... pass shows 1 or 4+, dbl shows 2/3 in that suit, and a hand to good to bid a nonforcing 2M on.

So if I have a void and a two suiter, I simply bid my second suit. If I have a singleton and a second suit, I pass first, then bid my second suit when given the opportunity. This is subject to preemption, but this is a very dangerous preempt, as from my pass, my partner will be able to work out the LOTT nicely, and I can double back in next time to show the unbid suit.... if they get too high, partner will know it.

I have gotten a few nice results when parnter bids 2♣ with a balanced hand, no real ♣ suit, and we have no great fit and they stick in a bid and I make a 2/3 double and partner has 3 in that suit as well... yummy.

But imagine your auction above with 2♣ subsituted for 1NT, and partner passes over 3♥. I have a choice of options, 3♠ to show 3 card raise and if I double, a parnter with two suiter can bid 4♦ now, to show two suiter (legnth is a questoin). Also, can bid 4♦ over 3♠... slam try implications clear, and with ♥ control (singleton).

Ben

[flytoox]

luis, on Mar 5 2004, 05:30 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1s-pass-1N*-3h
4d-pass-?

1N=forcing (2/1)

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Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps.
Now what?

How about 5c? Though i wont try it with pickup pd. After pd showed 55 at least in s and d, it seems logical to play 5c as cuebid for d spt.

Otherwise, I will bid 5d, take the sure cash. Given pd's bid, I dont think 5D will be unsafe.

[Trpltrbl]

Yes, I agree with 1 NT.
We have a double fit and I do have a nice hand for my 1 NT bid, all the hand is about is pretty much how many ♥ my pd has, and also how good his ♠ and ♦ are. I will bid 5 ♠ and hope pd is on the same wavelength, if I was short in ♥ I would have bid 4 ♥. So he must know, hopefully, that I am asking about his trumpsuit and his ♥ holding. And no, I don't play Exclusion Blackwood in pd's opening suit.

Mike