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Forcing, or not?

#1 User is offline   keylime 

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  Posted 2008-February-13, 20:55

Let's say you're not playing anything exotic in terms of Reverse Flannery, 2D as 3rd suit forcing, or such.

You hear this auction:

1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥

2♥ forcing, invitational, or drop dead?
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Posted 2008-February-13, 20:57

Forcing. Would be NF if opener had rebid 1NT, would also be NF if you played 2♦ some sort of artificial checkback.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 22:21

If you don't play anything special, a new suit by responder is forcing unless opener's last bid was 1NT.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 22:23

Forcing for one round. That is at least invitational values.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 22:26

Forcing unless discussed otherwise.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 22:42

lots of people play this as NF with 2D as art, but its still standard to play it as F1. Some play it as GF rather than F1.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 01:41

Do we get the first 100 %? Forcing of course.

I like play it as nf myself, but surely this is not standard and not to be done without discussion.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 02:17

Echo the above posts. Good argument for nf though.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 04:22

It's forcing, but a good partnership should either play it as NF, or discuss reverse flannery.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 04:36

Forcing.

But I had a discussion with lots of peoble, who claimed,
that this is nonforcing, even without playing something
like 3rd suit forcing.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 06:50

Yes, I believe they teach NF to beginners in the Netherlands. Not sure about England, but people at my club play it as forcing. In SAYC it is forcing.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 07:10

In SEF this is NF, 6-10 hcp and 5♠-4♥. The forcing bid is an artificial 2♦, the so-called "3rd suit forcing".
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Posted 2008-February-14, 09:39

Well, in the "official" SEF 2♥ is forcing, described as 9-10 HCP, and 2♦ is indeed a third suit forcing, not promising anything but points.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 11:59

Without any gadget this would be forcing IMO. Not absolutely sure, but I don't think I know of anyone playing it as forcing.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 12:08

skaeran, on Feb 14 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

Without any gadget this would be forcing IMO. Not absolutely sure, but I don't think I know of anyone playing it as forcing.

me?

This auction was discussed at great length in the BIL forum.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 12:13

The world's gone crazy. Standard is forcing and nobody here plays it as forcing except for our limit-bidder. :P
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 12:21

skaeran, on Feb 14 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

Without any gadget this would be forcing IMO. Not absolutely sure, but I don't think I know of anyone playing it as forcing.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 12:26

Oh wait, I guess I also play it as forcing. :P
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 12:45

So I learned something about Frances' and Han-Arends methods. :P
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Posted 2008-February-14, 13:04

skaeran, on Feb 14 2008, 01:45 PM, said:

So I learned something about Frances' and Han-Arends methods. :P

I do too with one partner :) but I have learned the hard way to just not bid it otherwise unless I don't care whether partner thinks it's forcing or not.
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