[kfay]

Scoring: IMP

1♠-(P)-?

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You can use whatever methods you have. You're playing 2/1.

Do you just blast 4♠?

[mike777]

kfay, on Feb 11 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♠-(P)-?

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You can use whatever methods you have.  You're playing 2/1.

Do you just blast 4♠?

yes
KISS

[P_Marlowe]

Yes, 4S ..., it may make.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

Depends on my methods. If I can make a limit raise and still make sure to reach game (for example 2NT: limit+ in my preferred methods) then I would use that. I prefer not to bid 4S with this much slam potential.

[whereagles]

I'll make the system bid for a good 4♠ bid.

[cherdano]

han, on Feb 11 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

Depends on my methods. If I can make a limit raise and still make sure to reach game (for example 2NT: limit+ in my preferred methods) then I would use that. I prefer not to bid 4S with this much slam potential.

Agree, even though being red vs white makes blasting more attractive, there are many hands where they get in over a limit raise at the 3-level but would pass 4S I think.

[jdonn]

I'll just make my GF spade raise, so jacoby for example, then not offer any more encouragement after that.

[Cascade]

We bid 2NT which shows some spades and no shortage.

Partner will then show a shortage or ask me for range and controls.

I will probably show a game-force with 3 controls. Eventually partner will pick a contract.

(I might show an invite and then bid game anyway - I am allowed to do that on most auctions.)

I will bid at least game over any singleton.

[pclayton]

Same here. Looks right for a limit raise pard can't pass like a Bergen 3♦.

If I'm playing 1M - 3M as limit, I'd probably 4♠ it.

[Echognome]

kfay, on Feb 11 2008, 07:58 AM, said:

You can use whatever methods you have. You're playing 2/1.

Do you just blast 4♠?

I have 3N (4♠ raise with an outside A/K, but less than LR) and also 2N (LR+) available. Of these two, I'm going with the latter. I think it just falls there and is too good for 3N.

[helene_t]

7.5 LTC and a semi-working queen is borderline GF but p will expect more controls if I show a balanced GF raise. Difficult. What Han and Justin suggest sounds cool but I don't have such methods in any partnership. I think I just blast 4♠.

[pclayton]

Echognome, on Feb 11 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 11 2008, 07:58 AM, said:

You can use whatever methods you have.  You're playing 2/1.

Do you just blast 4♠?

I have 3N (4♠ raise with an outside A/K, but less than LR) and also 2N (LR+) available. Of these two, I'm going with the latter. I think it just falls there and is too good for 3N.

Agree - too good for 3N but not by much.

[matmat]

agree with the majority. 4♠ looks like a poor choice of calls.


sidetrack -- do you take the same action if the major is hearts rather than spades? (i think i do, but just want to see...)

[Cascade]

helene_t, on Feb 12 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

7.5 LTC and a semi-working queen is borderline GF but p will expect more controls if I show a balanced GF raise. Difficult. What Han and Justin suggest sounds cool but I don't have such methods in any partnership. I think I just blast 4♠.

An average 13 count has just over 4 controls and an average 12 count that many would GF on with four trumps and just less than 4 controls.

I don't think our three controls is so far out of expectation that partner will expect more.

Sure it is minimum.

Curiously in my methods I will show a GF with three controls so I am more worried that partner will play me for more queens and jacks. I will just have to hope that the two doubletons and extra trump length make up for the missing queens.