[pclayton]

All white, IMPS

♠8xx ♥Txx ♦9xxx ♣xxx

1♣ on right (could be 2), you pass, 1♥ on left, pard overcalls 1♠.
Supp x on right, LHO pulls to 1N. Pard doubles.

Sit or pull?

Do different conditions change your call?

[jchiu]

Pull, takeout doubles are meant to be taken out. Fortunately I have three card support and can go grab another Guinness as he plays 2♠X. Not even close for me. Had I one fewer spade and one more heart, I might chance the licking in 2♦X.

[rogerclee]

Can't really imagine not bidding 2♠ here. I think they're making 1NT, and I don't think 2♠ is going for a huge number (or even getting doubled).

[benlessard]

Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what.

[the hog]

benlessard, on Feb 11 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what.

And if they make overtrick(s) its a bit more. 2S for me, pd's double is takeout anyway and why should she have a 2NT opening?
Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand?

[Gerben42]

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Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand?

Sure looks that way
Told you 1♦ would work better *g

[whereagles]

Pull. We got a long suit, they got a long suit. 1NTX+1 quite possible...........

[cherdano]

benlessard, on Feb 11 2008, 01:54 AM, said:

Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what.

A 1S overcall with 20 hcp in a balanced hand?

[gwnn]

agree with the choo, with the caveat that I prefer vodka to Guiness.

[TimG]

jchiu, on Feb 11 2008, 01:28 AM, said:

Pull, takeout doubles are meant to be taken out.

Is it really takeout?

[helene_t]

TimG, on Feb 11 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

Is it really takeout?

No, it shows cards. It asks me to do something intelligent, which is generally difficult of course, but in this case not. 2♠.

[kfay]

I'm pulling this one. Much less of a downside.

Furthermore, I really don't think we're setting 1NT a lot if we CAN set it so we've missed out on a +100... so what?

[brianshark]

1Nx is clearly favourite to make overtricks. The question is whether we can escape for less in 1Nx or 2Sx.

My first impression is to always pull because 2♠ could make, might not get doubled, opps might bid on and generally it forces the opponents to take their points rather than handing it to them on a plate.

But the more I think about it, the less sure I am.

[Edmunte1]

2♠ is obvious

[Cascade]

We didn't hear what RHO did over partner's double so presumably he passed. The lack of a redouble suggests to me that we have a fair chance of escaping in 2♠ undoubled.

[Echognome]

The_Hog, on Feb 11 2008, 02:14 AM, said:

Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand?

No. I can say with authority as I held both the hand in question in this thread and the 4-4 S&D hand.

[bhall]

Partner has given me a place to run, so I run: 2♠. Actually, I expect pass will earn -280, while 2♠ will result in -300.

[pclayton]

I held this hand and passed. Declarer was +380 I think (Bill's close). Best defense in 2♠ x'd looks like -500, and -300 is a cinch. I'm not convinced of the plurality, quite frankly. Consider this:

1. I expect pard to hold at least an 18 count or more, mostly due to the fact the opponents have subsided in 1N.

2. If LHO has a trump stack (he held KQJx), it's bad news all around. We are getting nailed in 2♠ and there's a strong double or triple stopper for our source of tricks. Do you think it's easier to take 7 tricks on defense or 8 tricks on offense? The worse of a position we are in, the better pass looks. If we take 6, 5, 4, or 3 tricks on defense, the score is -180, -280, -380, -480. Say we can take one more additional trick with spades trump, so we would be taking 7, 6, 5 or 4 tricks on offense. The spread is now -100, -300, -500, -800.

3. If LHO has a stopper, but a marginal trump stack, our chances on defense are a lot better, but in fairness, we are less likely to get doubled in 2♠ as well, but 1N will not be making very often either.

If we are vulnerable, I think this is a real easy pass. If we are white on red, it's an easy pull.

[benlessard]

How can it be take-out if so on what suits ? Opps rate to have a 7 card fit in H so prtner cant be short in H nor does he want to play in H. So either hes got D maybe even C (wich he can bid 2C & 2D) but he doesnt have both minors for sure. So hes got a big balanced hand. I would never X with only 18-19.

Those who think its impossible to have 20-22 and make an overcall would you X and bid 2S with

AKQJx
Axx
QXX
KQ ?

After

(1X)----P-----(1Y)------???

its not balancing and expect partner to be broke when you have 18 +
So why would you want to X 1Nt with 18-19 pts ?
Why would you want to X and bid a new suit with 20-22 pts and a balanced hand ?

Im not saying i expect to get rich by defending 1Nt just that why be sure to get a minus when you might get a +. If they make an overtrick then partner made a mistake not you.

[rogerclee]

pclayton, on Feb 11 2008, 03:25 PM, said:

If LHO has a trump stack (he held KQJx), it's bad news all around.

It is funny, this is actually one of the holdings that worried me a lot, but I discarded it as unlikely .

Let's say I pull to 2S. LHO has to make a 2-level penalty double with his trumps in front of the strong hand while his partner has promised nothing more than an 11-count with 3 hearts. Sure, he might hit this, but I'd say it's sort of unlikely.

Now it comes back to RHO, and while I bet he has extras, he can't really double for penalty without any trumps and partner having promised little more than ♠Kxx. He has to either pass or take us off the hook by bidding. He might even not have extras, in which case he has an obvious pass.