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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:09

Scoring: IMP

1S-(3D)-3H-(5D)
5H-(p)-??


Your call?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:13

I suck at dealing with preempts. 6♥. Partner could've x'd or passed and he didn't.

If partner is void in diamonds, this slam rates to be great.
If he has a stiff, it may still be very good.
If he has a stiff and it's a bad slam, I might get lucky :wacko:.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:17

I suck at dealing with preempts. pass.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:43

6♥

Just a guess, but partner did not have to bid 5/5.
If we give partner a perfect 10 count: Kxxxx, Axxx, x, Kxx   - 6♥ is a good spot.
Maybe he has a void diamond, maybe he has other useful cards.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:51

I don't think i have a near minimum and partner might have stretched.

We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3♥. I would expect partner to bid 5♥ more often than not with a heart fit.

The opponent's do not always have ten trumps for 5♦ when they are at favourable vulnerability.

I have good controls but just a reasonable minimum hcp.

I have poor shape aside from the one extra heart.

All in all not enough to stretch further.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:53

Cascade, on Feb 5 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

The opponent's do not always have ten trumps for 5♦ when they are at favourable vulnerability.

I agree with this, but I don't think partner would bid 5H without a diamond control. He might have Ax, in which case we're not dead yet.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 21:58

Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 22:00

grrigg, on Feb 5 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me.

We established a GF and the opponents are favorable. I can't imagine even the staunchest of the "I'm too cool to play forcing passes" crowd thinking P is NF.

Standard would be to play pass and pull to 5H to be a strong heart raise.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 22:04

On second thought, the forcing pass issue is kind of irrelevant (unless partner thought immediate 5♥ was strong, but thats not standard). Even if partner is void in diamonds I dont think he can really have a good raise missing the 3 controls that we have. I'll stick with 6♥.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 22:23

Pass. I think this will win in the long run.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 22:40

Would 6♦ show full control of the suit in this auction or ask partner if he has full control?
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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:07

KQxxx Axxx x xxx one time? lol. We seriously need very little, I think we have to go. Don't play partner for the perfecta is fine but there are way too many perfectas for this one.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:17

grrigg, on Feb 5 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me.

I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:19

Here's a better hand where slam has no play:

♠ KQxxxx
♥ AQx
♦ xx
♣ KQ
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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:21

Thanks Wayne, very enlightening. :wacko:
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:31

Hannie, on Feb 6 2008, 12:17 AM, said:

grrigg, on Feb 5 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me.

I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly.

But the pass to begin with (without expecting a pull to be coming) would promise suitability for hearts, so 5♥ expects to make. He won't have stretched here since a forcing pass would convey that message. In which case I think we can make 6♥, hopefully. But I won't enter into the fun game of "best hand partner can have with no diamond control" vs "worse hand partner can have which makes slam".
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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:31

Cascade, on Feb 6 2008, 12:19 AM, said:

Here's a better hand where slam has no play:

♠ KQxxxx
♥ AQx
♦ xx
♣ KQ

He would need a hand about this good to bid 5H with xx diamonds. The odds of the opps bidding this much when we have all the other points and they have 9 diamonds seems extremely low. So this whole parlay seems near-ridiculous to me.
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Posted 2008-February-05, 23:42

Cascade, on Feb 5 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3♥.  I would expect partner to bid 5♥ more often than not with a heart fit.

Well, partner is very unlikely to be bidding 5 over 5 with 3 card support in a balanced hand. Why volunteer to play in an 8 card fit at the 5 level when you could be defending 5♦X? And if these hands are ruled out, slam is suddenly looking much better.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 00:52

6h will risk that the opp have more than 9D on this bidding and no outside aces or kings.
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  Posted 2008-February-06, 01:41

Hannie, on Feb 6 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

Thanks Wayne, very enlightening. :P

My pleasure.
Wayne Burrows

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