[rogerclee]

Playing IMPs, all white

♠xxx ♥AQxxx ♦Axxx ♣x

Partner opens:

1♦-(P)-1♥-(2♣)
2♦*-(3♣)-?

2♦ usually denies holding 3-card ♥ support.

[gwnn]

4♣ has to be right as it's the most descriptive bid and all. It's not like we want to play 3NT here.

[655321]

4♣ WTP

[rogerclee]

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

[P_Marlowe]

rogerclee, on Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

Sure, ... agreeing diamonds.

And because 4D would be GF as well,
4C is a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MFA]

4♣. Then 5♦ on a 4M cuebid, although it's tempting to blackwood over 4♥.

[helene_t]

Are we really going to bid a good slam? I think 5♦ is reasonable.

[lechcold]

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

Sure, ... agreeing diamonds.

And because 4D would be GF as well,
4C is a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe

4D would be GF? why?

[P_Marlowe]

lechcold, on Feb 5 2008, 08:24 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

Sure, ... agreeing diamonds.

And because 4D would be GF as well,
4C is a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe

4D would be GF? why?

I guess it is a matter of partnership agreement,
but at least I would prefer to have a forcing raise
available, which would allow to investigate 6D,
if one already plan to play 5D, instead of stopping
in 4D, when this is the last makebale spot.
Depending on agreement, 4D is quite often played
as aceasking for diamonds.

Besides, ... 4D bypasses 3NT, without making a
strong effort to play 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[lexlogan]

4♣ is an excellent, descriptive bid, but partner had no opportunity to bid notrump, given that he obviously wasn't strong enough to bid 2NT over 2♣. He may still have stoppers and 9 tricks is still easier than 11.

Ideally we could bid 3♠ with this sort of hand, urging partner to bid 3NT if he has clubs stopped. But I wouldn't try that one even with discussion. I'll settle for 3♦, knowing it is an underbid. It's hard to show distributional raises of minor suits.

[lechcold]

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2008, 01:44 PM, said:

lechcold, on Feb 5 2008, 08:24 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

Sure, ... agreeing diamonds.

And because 4D would be GF as well,
4C is a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe

4D would be GF? why?

I guess it is a matter of partnership agreement,
but at least I would prefer to have a forcing raise
available, which would allow to investigate 6D,
if one already plan to play 5D, instead of stopping
in 4D, when this is the last makebale spot.
Depending on agreement, 4D is quite often played
as aceasking for diamonds.

Besides, ... 4D bypasses 3NT, without making a
strong effort to play 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Say you have ♥2 instead of ♥Q. What bid would you make?
3♦ in competitive auction is obviously not enough.
There ara a lot of similar sequences:
1

[P_Marlowe]

lechcold, on Feb 5 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

Say you have ♥2 instead of ♥Q. What bid would you make?
3♦ in competitive auction is obviously not enough.
There ara a lot of similar sequences:
1

3D.

5D is a long way to go, if 5D makes,
partner will make another move.

And if you think 3D is not enough, although
given that you only would have 8 loosers,
go ahead, bid 5D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

I would bid 5♦, not sure where else we are going. If we have slam I don't see how we can bid it confidently without getting too high on other hands.

[cherdano]

I would force to game. 4♣ is a bid of a stretch* but in the unlikely case that partner forces to slam over that, I don't think it will be wrong.

*I liked my typo so much that I will leave it there.

[grrigg]

I voted for 4♣, but my personal preference is 5♦, which is not in the poll. Its a shot in the dark but I really dont see how the alternatives are any better. Its not going to be easy for partner to judge what to do over 4♣ or 4♦.

[mikeh]

I can't imagine settling for a partscore here: my hand has grown into a full opener.

Imagine Kx Kx KQJxxx xxx and game is good enough to bid even white.

Axx Kx KJxxxx xx and slam is reasonable even on their best lead of a spade.

And so on.

To me the choice is 4♣ or 5♦, and I opt for 4♣. But this is a matter of style: for me, 4♣ establishes the GF but is NOT a strong slam try: cues below game indicate willingness to cooperate if partner is interested, not strong interest myself... if I have the latter hand, then I will try again over a signoff with a really strong hand.

Thus, I am in a cooperative state here, not a strong slam move. That seems to me to be a far description of my suitability for slam: he will be encouraged by the heart K and the spade A, and will usually be discouraged otherwise.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Feb 5 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

Everyone else is trying for slam and I'm trying for partscore

One of these day's you'll learn to be aggressive in your game bidding.

[Cascade]

lechcold, on Feb 6 2008, 02:24 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

What's the standard meaning of 4C here?

I would imagine it is a GF.

Sure, ... agreeing diamonds.

And because 4D would be GF as well,
4C is a splinter.

With kind regards
Marlowe

4D would be GF? why?

We play that almost all free raises to 4minor is forcing. This simplifies slam bidding.

The only exception I can think of would be 3minor (Pass) 4minor.

This means all jumps to 4minor are forcing.

A non-jump after competition either directly in front of us or from our LHO and a pass from partner is always just competitive.