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gwnn, on Feb 1 2008, 03:22 PM, said:
+300 and +8.5 imps but somehow I feel bad when they pull that on me
Oh no, they pulled the -300 on you!
should I double?
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Posted 2008-February-01, 16:12
Oh no, they pulled the -300 on you!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 19:21
Most amusing. Lho did not have a 1D bid, (and by the way the comment about the disruptive nature of the overcall was ironic and not intended as serious), and your partner did not have a weak jump shift. Rho had a balancing bid. 
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Posted 2008-February-02, 00:37
Why did partner not have a weak jump shift?
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:04
Hannie, on Feb 2 2008, 01:37 PM, said:
Why did partner not have a weak jump shift?
QT to 6? I am not concerned about the 4S, but really that suit? And as you know, I am certainly by no means conservative in the auction.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:07
What do you suggest? 1H playing this style of weak jump shifts? I don't imagine that you would pass as you are well known for your aggressive bidding style.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:31
Hannie, on Feb 2 2008, 02:07 PM, said:
What do you suggest? 1H playing this style of weak jump shifts? I don't imagine that you would pass as you are well known for your aggressive bidding style.
Yep, I'd pass. Aggression is not a synonym for stupidity. (Or for facetiousness for that matter.)
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:46
I find it hard to believe someone who would pass with that refers to themself as "not conservative in the auction" hehe
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Posted 2008-February-02, 02:48
My preference is not to play weak jump shifts. Responding at the one level is usually an option instead.
But if we are playing weak jump shifts, the North hand, with a heart holding of QT8754 is plenty good enough. Anyone too timid to make a weak jump shift on this suit may as well have a different meaning for the bid.
On the actual hand, the weak jump was successful when East was confused into taking action over 2♥
But if we are playing weak jump shifts, the North hand, with a heart holding of QT8754 is plenty good enough. Anyone too timid to make a weak jump shift on this suit may as well have a different meaning for the bid.
On the actual hand, the weak jump was successful when East was confused into taking action over 2♥
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 05:06
655321, on Feb 2 2008, 03:48 PM, said:
My preference is not to play weak jump shifts. Responding at the one level is usually an option instead.
But if we are playing weak jump shifts, the North hand, with a heart holding of QT8754 is plenty good enough. Anyone too timid to make a weak jump shift on this suit may as well have a different meaning for the bid.
On the actual hand, the weak jump was successful when East was confused into taking action over 2♥
But if we are playing weak jump shifts, the North hand, with a heart holding of QT8754 is plenty good enough. Anyone too timid to make a weak jump shift on this suit may as well have a different meaning for the bid.
On the actual hand, the weak jump was successful when East was confused into taking action over 2♥
Well if your purpose in making a weak jump response is in the hope that the opposition are confused, I guess you could even make one on 65432 and out. Thats a pretty poor reason for bidding this way imo though.
If your purpose for making a weak jump response is to bid great games like:
Ax
AKx
Ax
xxxxxx
KQxxxx
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(or many similar constructs where you might well not open 1NT), then you might not make 3NT if you bid it opposite 65432 of S.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 10:35
Well, isn't the hope that the opponents make a wrong decision part of why you preempt? The OP stated that 2H showed less than responding values, so apparently their main goal isn't to get to games like that.
Their bids could still win by (1) making life hard for the opponents (which includes getting to a reasonable partscore quickly), (2) getting to some light games with good fits (where partner has 4-card support instead of Ax) and (3) making their 1-level bids more trustworthy.
Having said that, I agree with you that when vulnerable, the weak jump shifts should perhaps be more sound, especially when the opponents are already in the auction. When white I think 2H is a good bid (given their agreement), but I suspect so would you.
Their bids could still win by (1) making life hard for the opponents (which includes getting to a reasonable partscore quickly), (2) getting to some light games with good fits (where partner has 4-card support instead of Ax) and (3) making their 1-level bids more trustworthy.
Having said that, I agree with you that when vulnerable, the weak jump shifts should perhaps be more sound, especially when the opponents are already in the auction. When white I think 2H is a good bid (given their agreement), but I suspect so would you.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 12:16
I want my opponents to leave my table with a smile on their face and without matchpoints on their score card - in that order.
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Posted 2008-February-03, 02:42
ArtK78, on Feb 1 2008, 08:32 PM, said:
KQJxxx is too good for a weak jump shift, IMO.
A weak jump shift should be a hand with a long suit but otherwise not good enough to reply to a one bid.
The hand given in this problem is a weak jump shift.
A weak jump shift should be a hand with a long suit but otherwise not good enough to reply to a one bid.
The hand given in this problem is a weak jump shift.
Respectully disagree. If you're gonna preempt pard, who not only has hcps but can also be quite unbalanced, you shouldn't have more than a 2 loser suit, intermediate cards included. What I mean is while it is true that a WJS should be weaker than the corresponding preempt, the suit should be consistent. It is the side values that should be absent, so that pard can evaluate game potential correctly.
Of course... it doesn't mean I wouldn't bid 2♥ on the original hand as well. It just means I KNOW I shouldn't bid
Also, bear in mind a preempt OPENER or preempt after NT openers are quite different situations. The original hand is a good WJS opposite a 1NT opener, for example.