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Poll: Invite or Game? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

Invite or Game?

  1. Invite (23 votes [74.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.19%

  2. Game (8 votes [25.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.81%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-January-18, 18:49

Unfavorable IMPs

♠Q82 ♥A97532 ♦T82 ♣T

1♣-1NT-P-?
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Posted 2008-January-18, 18:52

Invite.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-18, 19:00

I texas.
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Posted 2008-January-18, 19:13

If this isn't a 6-card invite, then what is a 6-card invite?
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Posted 2008-January-19, 03:06

I don't see the point of the option of "game" if there is no option of "partial".
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Posted 2008-January-19, 11:24

Invite for me too.

It's fairly close. I'd invite if pard just opened 1N instead of overcalling. With LHO opening, this becomes a better hand, since the hooks are working. Our stiff club is a bit of a negative however, since pard has known values across.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 15:24

Unfavourable at IMPS: don't muck around, just bid game.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 16:10

hum.. most evaluation methods I can think of tell me to stop in 2♥. Not sure I'm gonna trust them. First I'll transfer and see what happens.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 16:32

Invite here. I don't want to be in game opposite most hands for partner with bad heart support. As little change as make the hearts AT9xxx and I might bid game, so it's close.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 16:48

Vul we need 37% for game: 10imp(620-170) v 6imp(-200-140). This is at least that good.
xfer to 4H or xfer then 4H even me immediate 4H whichever is systemic.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 20:30

dake50, on Jan 19 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

Vul we need 37% for game: 10imp(620-170) v 6imp(-200-140). This is at least that good.
xfer to 4H or xfer then 4H even me immediate 4H whichever is systemic.

That 37% often gets misapplied, as here.

- It only matters on hands where partner would reject an invitation.
- It only applies if you are never down more than 1 and never doubled, both of which can happen here with any sort of bad breaks.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-January-19, 20:40

Echognome, on Jan 18 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

If this isn't a 6-card invite, then what is a 6-card invite?

ditto
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Posted 2008-January-19, 21:49

mike777, on Jan 20 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

Echognome, on Jan 18 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

If this isn't a 6-card invite, then what is a 6-card invite?

ditto

reditto
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Posted 2008-January-19, 23:02

Per rough 100 deal simulation, 4H makes 51% of the time.

On hands where overcaller has

2 hearts and 15 HCPs, 4H makes 12% of the time.
3 hearts and 15 HCPs, 4H makes 34% of the time
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Posted 2008-January-19, 23:05

jdonn, on Jan 19 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

dake50, on Jan 19 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

Vul we need 37% for game: 10imp(620-170) v 6imp(-200-140).  This is at least that good.
xfer to 4H or xfer then 4H even me immediate 4H whichever is systemic.

That 37% often gets misapplied, as here.

- It only matters on hands where partner would reject an invitation.
- It only applies if you are never down more than 1 and never doubled, both of which can happen here with any sort of bad breaks.

No kidding !! So I'll just xfer and bid 3♥ as a 6 card invite.
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Posted 2008-January-20, 15:26

I transfer with 2♦. If partner super accept I bid game, else I invite. But with partner over opener it's close to just bidding game.
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Posted 2008-January-20, 16:22

The_Hog, on Jan 19 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

mike777, on Jan 20 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

Echognome, on Jan 18 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

If this isn't a 6-card invite, then what is a 6-card invite?

ditto

reditto

quarditto
Michael Askgaard
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Posted 2008-January-20, 16:26

Hi,

I would say, it is more a question
between invite and pass, I will make
an invite, but wont be surprised, if it
would lead to -1.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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